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Made in Studio One » New song. Simple acoustic and vocal... » Go to message
Bbd wrote:Good one Johnny. I like the creative background voc arrangement. I also like the instrumentation. Keep up the good creative work.


Thanx man. I still have a long way to go vocally but at least I can do short vocal takes with nearly no pain. So it's getting fun again for me.
AudioBox VSL 1818 » buffer size effect on VSL vs Studio One on Windows » Go to message
dough334 wrote:How do I find the buffer size I was trying to use the melodyne but it say that my buffer size to be certain amount I need help


The error you get in melodyne for the buffer size can be ignored. It has no actual effect on performance. Don't change it. Celamony is working on the issue.
Made in Studio One » New song. Simple acoustic and vocal... » Go to message
Well folks, still rebuilding the after 5 years now. The Dysphonia is still very evident but I am slowly learning to use the low, limited range I have left and get back into song writing. Let me know what you all think.

The song is called Close To The Door

https://soundcloud.com/johnny-geib/close-to-the-door-johnny-geib
Studio One General Discussion » Faderport user function » Go to message

I used to post this kind of stuff all the time here. I'm glad you found it helpful.
Studio One General Discussion » how far are we from v3? » Go to message

Has anyone stopped to think that there has been no announcement because there's nothing coming yet? And the guy that announced version 3 was coming this year was misinformed.
Studio One General Discussion » S1 Pro Live Mixing with Effects » Go to message

With what's available in Studio One you should have no need for the effects in the StudioLive unless you're running out of CPU to run them.
Studio One General Discussion » What are you Listening To? » Go to message

You'll all laugh but for me lately

The Beatles
Johnny Cash
Everly Brothers
The Eagles
Studio One General Discussion » Automation by clip possible yet?? » Go to message

Every FR is read and considered. But they will not post confirmations that often if at all. But trust that they are all read and considered.
Studio One General Discussion » normalize audio?? » Go to message
LMike wrote:

If you look through the general list of audio rules and myths and misperceptions , like .... [i]Never move the master fader!!!!


Ok, this is something very important, for proper training purposes, to tell those just beginning to learn how to mix. AT FIRST when I train, I stress this so I can get them to create better captures and mix within the console first, control clipping before the main outs and to really properly gain stage their tracks. In my opinion, this is not a misconception or a myth. Once that is learned then you show them how the master fader really can be used as you suggest.

I think training beginners and training those moving to digital from analog to digital, is something most Engineers fail at because it becomes too personal. There is no "wrong way" to mix if the final product turns out as desired.

Many audio rules, myths and mis-perceptions are only opinions and personal techniques brought by personal experience and example. Like the common threat of consistent, terrible mixes if mixing is done on headphones alone. I've hear many Pro level mixes that were done on headphones and that breaks a MAJOR rule for a great many people.

I have been recording and producing for 29 years now and I am still no where near a professional level and have never claimed to be. I simply share my techniques (to which many common rules I break on a regular basis) but hope it will help a newbie or add extra insight for a seasoned engineer.

I know you and I disagree on this LMike. Maybe we always have. Not trying to push my opinion, just keeping things open a bit more.
Studio One General Discussion » normalize audio?? » Go to message
LMike wrote:
Vocalpoint wrote:I guess everytime I have dabbled with normalizing in other DAWs (in the past) - I watched the entire track get made louder when that may not be what is required.
VP


That's what normalizing is, linear gain. It finds the highest peak and - uniformly - gains everything up until that highest peak hits the normalization level. Nothing else changes. If anyone has a normalize function in any daw that does anything else, I certainly would like to see it.

The Wikipedia definition sounds accurate to me...

Audio normalization is the application of a constant amount of gain to an audio recording to bring the average or peak amplitude to a target level (the norm). Because the same amount of gain is applied across the given range, the signal-to-noise ratio and relative dynamics are generally unchanged. Normalization differs from dynamic range compression,which applies varying levels of gain over a recording to fit the level within a minimum and maximum range. Normalization is one of the functions commonly provided by a digital audio workstation.


But the digital audio world is chock full of myths and random misconceptions that just won't go away.

Having said that, if there's a "normalize" function somewhere that works on RMS level and not max peak, that might be something different. No clue. But peak normalize doesn't (and never did afaik) compress anything. It was always just pure gain, or trim if the normalization level was lower than the current highest peak level.

At a certain point it's just easier to let people hold on to the myths than to try to dispute them so... it's all good.


I believe you hit on what I was talking about. Looks like I used the wrong word when I said compression. Sound Forge had at one point, an RMS level option in it's Normalizer. I view that as a form of compression as where others may not.

That may be where my misconception is and why you found yourself quite annoyed.
Studio One General Discussion » normalize audio?? » Go to message
LMike wrote:Hmmm... if a thing compresses it's a compressor.

I've owned Cubase for decades and have never seen it with normalize that compresses. I think it's all just a misunderstand of how those things actually work. I mean, Nuendo can normalize down, but that's not doing compression, it's just pure linear gain reduction.

At any rate, not my job to correct misconceptions so... to each his own.


I may be incorrect about Nuendo. It's been a long time since I lasted used version 2. It is mostly Sound Forge I was referring to that offers a compression factor to the normalizing options.

But I can assure you I don't misunderstand a thing. I do have a little experience with these things
Studio One General Discussion » normalize audio?? » Go to message
Vocalpoint wrote:
LMike wrote:You're confusing normalizing with limiting, which are two different things.


Don't think I am confusing anything. And certainly not with limiting.

I guess everytime I have dabbled with normalizing in other DAWs (in the past) - I watched the entire track get made louder when that may not be what is required.

Could also have been user error as well - or something like choosing a normalize target value and normalizing to that. I do use this function in WaveLab for my needledrops to make the results more uniform and for that specific process - it's good.

I guess I would have to try in S1 and see what happens.

VP


I can see why you'd ask the question. Mike is correct about Studio One though. If there is even 1 small peak at -01db in a file, Studio One's normalize will not effect the file at all. S1's normalize is strictly peak to peak, actual file volume.
Studio One General Discussion » normalize audio?? » Go to message
LMike wrote:
themuzic wrote:This would be true if Studio One used a compression algorithm in it's normalizing. Luckily it does not. The Normalize in Studio One is just like using the volume handle on an event. It simply raises the highest of an event to "0" without adding compression..


Right. Afaik, that's what - all - normalize functions everywhere do, apply pure gain (or trim if you "normalize" down). Not quite sure where the perceptions of it doing anything else came from exactly.


Older versions of Nuendo and the current version of Sound Forge have selectable normalize settings which offer levels of compression and limiting. I deal with a lot of folks moving to Studio One that also use Sound Forge and I get the question about these options in S1. That's why I decided to add that info here.
Studio One General Discussion » normalize audio?? » Go to message
Vocalpoint wrote:I have to disagree on this - as normalizing a song to say - 0.1db simply because a stray peak goes there - is destructive in my books.

It can take a track that should be gentle and quiet and suddenly ramps up the overall volume - which is not necessarily a good thing.

I stay far away from this regardless DAW or implementation. YMMV

VP


This would be true if Studio One used a compression algorithm in it's normalizing. Luckily it does not. The Normalize in Studio One is just like using the volume handle on an event. It simply raises the highest of an event to "0" without adding compression.

However you are correct of you're applying compression to an overall mix and then go normalize everything.
Studio One General Discussion » normalize audio?? » Go to message
Tacman7 wrote:Normalize was something I always avoided because other DAWs implementation was suspect.

But normalize in S1 I'm finding very handy.

Pretty much do it after every bounce without any problems and I like the results.

Saves a lot of gain staging on every track.



Actually, normalizing is counter productive to Gain Staging because it sets the event to "0"db and you DO NOT want that. But, with that said, if its working to your satisfaction then I say why change. There's no "Wrong Way" to do this stuff if the final product is what you want.
 
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