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StudioLive General Discussion » Smaart room ADVANCED analysis » Go to message
Jjinplaya wrote: Specifically, when do you apply the curve movements? Is this done after each measurement, or when all three measurements have been made?

As you read (or can read) in the user manual (or when you actually perform the analysis - see attached image), the advanced wizard is an average of three measurement points, and the wizard keeps you on track by prompting exactly what to do [see image attached]. When you have completed the wizard you are then able to view an average response measurement. Because it is the product of three measurements, the trace will not adapt in real time the way the basic wizard does.

In the arena of professional sound, rarely are systems measured at one location, eq'd for there, and called 'done'. The advanced wizard offers the ability for you to have a similar workflow - where you act on the trend of a venue, not what is going on at a single point.

Have phun

- Chris
16.4.2AI » PEQ Spectrograph - is it pre or post EQ/dynamics? » Go to message
The spectrograph in the fat channel is post eq/dynamics, I assumed this, and just tested it at my desk to be sure - it behaved as expected.

I don't know about the other question you have...


- Chris
Pre-Sales Questions » Can you use the SMAART features with an AudioBox 44VSL or AudioBox 1818VSL » Go to message

No, the smaart wizards are only available for the 16.4.2 consoles and up.

This page details why they aren't on the 16.0.2 - note the info about FireWire returns, and that the AudioBox family of products are USB.

All Other PreSonus Hardware » Eris E5 - Is not translating well to any other speaker system » Go to message
chrisatrational wrote:Did you jump right into mixing or did you spend some time learning the monitors first?

All Other PreSonus Hardware » Eris E5 - Is not translating well to any other speaker system » Go to message
Did you jump right into mixing or did you spend some time learning the monitors first?

If you haven't, take the time to listen to what your monitors are doing with mixes you already know well. If you have an analyzer available, hook that up and see what sort of FR you are dealing with.

Inform yourself as to what your tools are providing for you, then make decisions based on what you have available. I wouldn't walk up to a pair of monitors I've never seriously worked with and expect all my go-to mix eq tricks or techniques work automatically. They are just a place to start.

give it some time, you will get there!

And as a side note, you are working with E5's, so if you are not getting the accurate low end you are looking for, I don't think anyone will be surprised that a 5" woofer isn't keeping up down low. Do yourself a favor and hook up a sub!
Studio One Tips and Tricks » cleaning up a reverb » Go to message
you may want to mess with the actual reverb settings to clean it up. I like to put the pre-delay in time with the song ( If the song is in standard time - I like to set the reverb tails to the equivelent ms value of 1/32 note. it's usually a good place to start, and lets the dry signal and reverb have its own space.

Also, try using a band pass filter (HPF + LPF) and give the reverb a particular space in the mix. This is handy where you can give the vocal reverb a different space than the drum rm verb etc.

my .02

- C
Pre-Sales Questions » STUDIOLIVE ROOM CORRECTION » Go to message

....sorry about that, I forgot to turn off caps lock.
Live Sound » Smaart analyzer » Go to message
How could I forget! I was thinking to myself, hmm maybe this guy is lost - but you were just so darned friendly and apparently knew me so I just went with it! Nothing like a good old 'aha moment'

Live Sound » Smaart analyzer » Go to message
On that note - my one complaint about this forum is that you don't have to use your real name.

I've met several people on the forum here at PreSonusPhere and unless they have their forum name on their name tag, I have no idea who they are! Gary (Gadget) and John (monolith) are really cool guys, but when I met them I had no idea who they were until they told me their forum names!! har har.

But yes, we are all here to help, and we all have varying levels of skill and experience in various areas. Together we make one heck of a knowledge base. I'm glad we could help you out, and point you in the right direction.

Have phun!

- chris
Live Sound » Smaart analyzer » Go to message
cool - I'm following you.

All the speakers are in the same room, and that rooms characteristics are showing up consistently on each speaker. That sounds pretty normal to me. I hope you've got some absorption and what not in your studio! Eq should be the last thing you reach for - in the studio reflections are your worst enemy and Eq doesn't do anything about reflections.

The thing is - you are the one telling yourself to cut a lot of the high end (I think it is important for anyone new to analyzers to understand that the human interface makes the decisions - a CAT scan doesn't tell a doctor where to operate, the doctor still has figure it out based on prior knowledge and experience). The analyzer is just showing you what is coming in at the microphone position(s). I mean - how does it sound? extended high frequency is normal for a studio, but there is definitely a difference between extended and exaggerated

any who - I always analyze, tune, listen, re analyze, tweak, listen. For most cases it will be a 5-10 min process at least. Time varies based on how much time I spend listening, and any other issue imaginable that may or may not come up

- C
Studio One Feature Requests » Room correction technology » Go to message
From what I've read - the KRK Ergo system is a pretty neat little black box - however as the disclaimer states 'although the stereo image and sound at the listening position may improve, the surrounding areas may sound drastically worse as a result of the process' - one review I read also said '600$ can buy you a lot of sound treatment' - I'm not sure how true that statement is, but I appreciate the concept of making thoughtful and calculated descisions, over just putting a 'magic black box' (as the reviewer calls it) in the signal path.

If I were you, I would just use the full version of smaart (or the demo wink wink) and measure the transfer function of each of my studio monitors. Then, I would use an outboard parametric eq (or system processor) to match the speakers in time, level, and response at the listening position. I would also physical measure the distance from the two speakers, and my head to make sure that I have a perfectly equilateral triangle. Call me old fashioned, but I gravitate towards a more human approach, using the analyzer to verify my decisions, not make my decisions for me. A lot of those "horror stories" you've heard are most likely results of the system making 'corrections' that are unwarranted, and obvious errors to a trained listener/engineer.
Studio One Feature Requests » Room correction technology » Go to message
I recently contributed to a forum post that is essentially identical to this one. check it out!
Studio One Feature Requests » Smart Room Analysis within St1 Pro » Go to message
No problem Universal Trandsetters Ent.! Can I just call you Uni Trend for short? you may just call me Chris

Room Eq Wizard is a free fft based software analyzer that you may want to check out - depending on how tweaky you are. It is really fantastic for a free program, although the interface isn't as sexy as Smaart

It doesn't do the work for you (like the plugin does), however, it does show you much more valuable information regarding timing and reflections, as well as frequency response.

Cheers! - C
Studio One Feature Requests » Smart Room Analysis within St1 Pro » Go to message
The Smaart wizards are hardware dependent (16.4.2/24.4.2/32.4.2), and use the VSL software to 'take over' control of the board(s) in order to perform the necessary under-the-hood processes. If you have one of those consoles, you may simply run VSL and save the results. The nature of home studios put a lot of variables in line that would take away from the credibility of the current implementation.

Keep in mind, any eq you put on your monitors needs to outside of the DAW, in other words - post your master buss.
Digital Audio Recording » Recording/Mixing/Arranging Techniques for Electric Guitars from Clean to Distortion and back » Go to message
These are my go-to techniques - Use separate tracks for clean and distorted guitars. Double track the distorted guitar, and use parallel compression for the clean guitar.
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