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MikeRivers
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A StudioLive is pretty cheap, but then you need a computer, and not just an ordinary computer, you need a Macbook Pro if you follow the recommendations here. Then you need an iPad. And you might need a line voltage regulator and a UPS. And maybe you'll want some Waves plug-ins and the MultiRack, and Capture or Studio One Artist isn't enough so you'll need Pro Tools 9.

OK, so not everybody needs an iPad or Pro Tools, but isn't your $1995 mixer getting kind of expensive? Less expensive, admittedly, than what you'd need to pay for even a portion of that capability 25 years ago, but still, more than what got you interested in it at first. Yes? No? Surely it's still a good buy, but that's not the point. It's the dollars out of pocket that matters most for many.

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As always, we get spoilt for choice.

I love my gear (see gearlist) and have never bothered about the price - not due to richness ( sadly ) but to the fact that I want the best I can afford and the best sound possible.

I have spent a lot I know, but I have run studios for 30 plus years and the setup I have now is the smallest, cheapest and the most powerful I have ever owned, so....
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You don't need an iPad. I don't have one and I'll never get one. I think they're overpriced and useless at this point in time. It's a trend. I wish Presonus would work on stability in their programming code (SL, S1, Capture) instead of playing around with the iPad. But, that's a marketing strategy (and "wow factor") and I realize their position.

Also, you don't need a computer if you are not going to record. The SL series consoles are in fact more "live" than "studio".

To answer you're question though, I think total price would be in the neighborhood of $2100 for a decent PC and SL16. That's assuming I get a good deal on SL16 (which I can) and a PC for around $500. There would be no tax, and maybe even free shipping...so I could see $2100 out-the-door.

Also, you really don't need ProTools...but admittedly I use Sonar because I prefer it over S1 Artist.

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SL16 Mixer off Ebay (NEW) - $1600 (May have came down since the SL24?)
PC off NewEgg - $800
Large External Drive - $125

TOTAL=$2,525

The ability to record multitrack and add effects live - Priceless

Forgot to add the price of speakers, amps, driveracks, etc...The sky is the limit there!
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I use a mac mini. No sreen on location, tv at home. Run from an ipad. Need and use an airport express in order to get working wifi network.

Alternative for me, as I want to record is mixer, some outboard effects, soundcard with at least 12 inputs, cabling including the long snake. More to cayy, less functions.

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tbcurtis wrote:SL16 Mixer off Ebay (NEW) - $1600 (May have came down since the SL24?)
PC off NewEgg - $800
Large External Drive - $125

TOTAL=$2,525

The ability to record multitrack and add effects live - Priceless

Forgot to add the price of speakers, amps, driveracks, etc...The sky is the limit there!


You could get the PC down to $500. It would work fine. My current dual-core PC would be able $400 to build new, the extra $100 would only make it quicker (better processor, more RAM). Of that, that's without a monitor. Most people have LCD screens and you don't need a new one for every PC you buy (though Best Buy would argue otherwise). I'd run a second internal drive too...that's about $75 for a quality drive, SATA II, 7200rpm, large cache.

TOTAL = $2175

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So let's look at it a different way how much do you save with say a SL 24.4.2 with a total of 39 Fat channels. Well let's just say you were to buy a different 24 channel console and we are goIng to stay on the budget end prices here folks $2000. Remember the 39 Fat channel here we go 39 compressors $1800' 39 gates Rember we are going budget here so let's say $1500 next we need 39 perimetric EQ $10,000 now we need 8 channels of graphic EQ $800, next we need racks for all this gear $500 then of course we will need to cable all this up ( say at $15 per cable ) thats another $1900. We are at $18,500. Now if you don't rant to use this just for live sound you go ahead and add the multitrack recorded of your choice. Also don't forget that you don't have to cable this up for every gig. Remember that all the gear is all patched as analog. I think at $3300 we are getting a steal of a deal.

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SL -$1.6k, MacBook Pro -$1.6k, firewire cable -$15, PRS Hollowbody -$3.5k, Rickenbacker 12 string -$1.2k, Bad Cat Amp -$2k, mics/cables/monitor system -$3k+? Remodel downstairs for studio area 3k. Larger vehicle for transport -$25k. Divorce lawyer $250/hr.

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Divorce lawyer $250/hr……


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And while you thinking about ehat bargain the SL is, indulge in what a decent pro quality mid-priced bassoon costs.
http://www.foxbassoons.com/fb_601.html

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don´t forget: cost of new(=bigger) van for new gear - 4x4 just to be on the safe side on rough terrain outside tarmac
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Steve Sanders wrote:So let's look at it a different way how much do you save with say a SL 24.4.2 with a total of 39 Fat channels. Well let's just say you were to buy a different 24 channel console and we are goIng to stay on the budget end prices here folks $2000. Remember the 39 Fat channel here we go 39 compressors $1800' 39 gates Rember we are going budget here so let's say $1500 next we need 39 perimetric EQ $10,000 now we need 8 channels of graphic EQ $800, next we need racks for all this gear $500 then of course we will need to cable all this up ( say at $15 per cable ) thats another $1900. We are at $18,500.

Did you ever try to price out a car from individual parts?
I think at $3300 we are getting a steal of a deal.

I wasn't questioning that. I don't think that anyone who would buy a StudioLive would actually buy all of that stuff, they'd buy a mixer with an equalizer on every channel, and maybe a couple of outboard compressors and effects. The best bargain in the StudioLive, I think, is the Firewire audio interface. If you want to record 24 channels from an analog mixer and play them back through the mixer like you can do with the StudioLive, you'd spend more than half the cost of a StudioLive 24 just on interfaces, and it wouldn't be as nicely packaged.

The point of my post was not whether it's a good deal or not, but rather that you'll have to buy some other things in addition to the mixer. I'm not talking about cables and mics and crossovers - you'd have to buy those anyway. But you really do need a compatible computer even if you don't record and don't use VSL. It's how you install updates. And everybody wants to install updates. You could get lucky and get a $500 or less Windows PC working with it. I did. Or you might follow the wisdom of the users here and get a MacBook Pro, the cheapest of which is around $1200.
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You can't really overlook the fact that most people have a computer of some sort today. It's not like you are going to $1200 on a piece of gear that just sits by your SL looking pretty (though MacBooks do a good job of that, too). So, really, I'd argue that a computer would fall somewhere towards the category of mics, and cables; something you'll need anyway, for all kinds of reasons, not just to install updates on your SL. Granted, not everyone wants to spend that much on a computer for general use, so I'll concede part of that $1200.
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knerr wrote:I'd argue that a computer would fall somewhere towards the category of mics, and cables; something you'll need anyway, for all kinds of reasons, not just to install updates on your SL. Granted, not everyone wants to spend that much on a computer for general use, so I'll concede part of that $1200.

As of today, it seems that you can buy a MacBook Pro and not have any problems with the connection between the computer and mixer, unless it's for some reason other than driver or chip set compatibility, or you can use the PC that the kids have discarded because it isn't fast enough to play games, find a Firewire card for it, and either get lucky or tear your hear trying to get it to work.

I think that if you're going to use a computer for audio work at all, it's a very good idea to have a dedicated computer just for that purpose, one that doesn't get used for day-to-day work. I think that now that (at least Windows) computers are getting so inexpensive, more people are doing that, but five years ago, it was only the "pros" who didn't consider audio as just another job for the household computer.

Oh, and on the MacBook Pro, don't forget to add the cost of a retail copy of Windows so you can dual-boot and run programs that you might want to use that aren't written for the Mac.
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