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Kahlbert
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I know it sounds stupid, but it happened to me:

Make sure you hit record from stop mode. Whenever the song is already playing, hitting record acts like a manual punch in.

Also make sure both of your locators are set correctly.

Just a guess or two ...
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spiral wrote:Thanks!
A lot of people perhaps do not realize that when you are sequencing a violin line and you want a long slow legato note followed by a short fast staccato note, you need two sample programs loaded: legato and staccato. They each need their own MIDI channel and the first note would be sent to the legato channel, say MIDI channel 01, and the second note sent to the staccato channel, MIDI channel 02. Both channels need to be accessible from within a single MIDI track/part.

And yes, themuzic is correct, to do this, it would require an omni (or "ANY", as it is called in Cubase) MIDI channel.


No, thank you for the clear explanation. I had considered articulations but it was kinda out of context. With Cubase's VST Expression feature you can do that on one track with one midi channel but you need a library setup / configured to use that. Even with "mono-midi-channel" synths like Halion One you can have full multi-sample expression. Obviously below you just "paint" in different articulations in a kind of "controller lane".



But it's not quite the same thing as what you're talking about which is probably a more common method, using different midi channels for that. I do wonder how something like VST Expression might work in S1? But to your point, even the expression mapping can include different midi channels for different articulations.

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Love the upgrade guys.

Fingers crossed for the ability to change the colors and/or some pre-made themes.

Thanks again!!
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Brand New to Studio 1 Pro. I was wondering if any of you vets can help me with a couple problems:

1. Getting Reason 4, Amplitube 3 and Superior 2.0, and my Sonar 8 Vintage Channels into the program. I have them installed on my computer already. I tried going to studio one/options/locations...didn't work. This surprises me because I thought this program was so drag and drop friendly.

2. Presence doesn't work, what's the output need to be set to? I'm trying to use it with my yamaha keyboard, I see signal going in, hear nothing coming out. Plus presence kinda said there was a missing bass file on that particular setting, I didn't do it I swear!

3. Having Fun with S1, because I'm very sad right now haha

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If you want to use Autopunch now, you need to start playback with the record button. It makes a better workflow, because you can leave autopunch on and can not accidentally enter record. That's what they explained, at least.

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spiral
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AudioCave wrote:
spiral wrote:Thanks!
A lot of people perhaps do not realize that when you are sequencing a violin line and you want a long slow legato note followed by a short fast staccato note, you need two sample programs loaded: legato and staccato. They each need their own MIDI channel and the first note would be sent to the legato channel, say MIDI channel 01, and the second note sent to the staccato channel, MIDI channel 02. Both channels need to be accessible from within a single MIDI track/part.

And yes, themuzic is correct, to do this, it would require an omni (or "ANY", as it is called in Cubase) MIDI channel.


No, thank you for the clear explanation. I had considered articulations but it was kinda out of context. With Cubase's VST Expression feature you can do that on one track with one midi channel but you need a library setup / configured to use that. Even with "mono-midi-channel" synths like Halion One you can have full multi-sample expression. Obviously below you just "paint" in different articulations in a kind of "controller lane".



But it's not quite the same thing as what you're talking about which is probably a more common method, using different midi channels for that. I do wonder how something like VST Expression might work in S1? But to your point, even the expression mapping can include different midi channels for different articulations.


That looks pretty much like "keyswitching" that was first introduced by Gigasampler, and lives on in some Kontakt sample libraries.
A Keyswitch sample program combines many different programs into one massive one, and uses low notes below the sample range on the keyboard to switch between the articulations. The problem with this is the developer has to program them, and most sample libraries don't use them, and also you are stuck with the articulations included. They may not contain all articulations, or you may only need a few but the program has all available articulations, making it a very large and costly library for your RAM.

Of course the Cubase VST Expressions and maps you show here are exclusive to Cubase.
Personally, I don't care how Presonus makes it happen, as long as they do.

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Kahlbert wrote:I know it sounds stupid, but it happened to me:

Make sure you hit record from stop mode. Whenever the song is already playing, hitting record acts like a manual punch in.

Also make sure both of your locators are set correctly.

Just a guess or two ...

Yes, I tried that. I tried every configuration I could think of. I have had to revert to V1.5 as now no form of auto
punch worked for me, The new way didn't, no matter whether I started from Stop or not or how I set ,my markers. And the old way no longer works in V1.6

This upgrade is simply not an option for me especially since I had to also turn off all Multi Processing just to get V1.6 to run without cracks and pops.

I have lodged support tickets for both of these issues and have received no reply. It has now been 3 days...
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I have had to revert 5 clients now back to 1.5.2 as well. VSTs of any kind just seem to suck the life out of it.

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I forgot to mention the biggest problem with keyswitching and why I (and most orchestral arrangers) use multiple MIDI channels for assigning articulations to notes, and not keyswitching: Keyswitches are global for the whole MIDI part. So if you are arranging 4 part harmony for group strings, all notes of a chord have to be the same articulation. Even worse is arranging solo strings in 4 part harmony cannot be done, because not only will all notes at a given time have the same articulation, but they also cannot be parted out to different instruments. You can't sequence a solo cello, viola, and violins all together on the same MIDI track unless you have multiple MIDI channels to send each one out to its own channel and its own instrument patch.

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I loved most of the demo when I tried it. Easy to use, easy to tweak your sound, easy on the eyes, competitively priced.

The lack of midi-composition tools are what is keeping me from buying S1 - no midi effects (can't use WordBuilder, for example), no multi-channel midi track, no multilayer piano roll view, no track folders for organizing massive comps.




This is the wrong forum and thread for this, but for Windows, which DAW has the best bang for midi composers? Other than a very rare voice-over or guitar part, I compose almost purely with (orchestral) virtual instruments (too bad DP is only available for Mac - it looks like a nice bit of software for film / game composition).

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To be honest, the mother of all MIDI is Cubase - no doubt whatsoever in my opinion.

However - and I speak as user of MIDI and Cubase from v1/Atari (20+ years ago) - it can get so much in your way in many aspects, that I decided the workflow (amongst others) of Studio One was well worth waiting for its MIDI to become more elaborate.

This step had a huge influence of my playing as well, by the way. No more working-by-numbers, if you know what I mean ...
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Kahlbert wrote:To be honest, the mother of all MIDI is Cubase - no doubt whatsoever in my opinion.

However - and I speak as user of MIDI and Cubase from v1/Atari (20+ years ago) - it can get so much in your way in many aspects, that I decided the workflow (amongst others) of Studio One was well worth waiting for its MIDI to become more elaborate.

This step had a huge influence of my playing as well, by the way. No more working-by-numbers, if you know what I mean ...


I think I know what you mean, but that is how I tend to work anyways. I record the midi that I "play" to get a feel for what is going on in my head (kind of a scratch-track). Then i go in and setup my other instrument tracks, open the piano roll, grab my pen/tablet and go to town. Once I have the basic tune down, I work much faster hand-writing notes and articulations on screen (I am only decent enough on piano to rough-out my ideas).

I liked Cubase about as much as I like Sonar - guess I'll just have to wait to see what the next S1 update brings for midi
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Kahlbert
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You can, of course, always use two different programs (for the different tasks). Like many professionals obviously use ProTools, yet have Logic for MIDI works as well.

Just a thought to consider - S1 got me first with the mixing capabilities ...
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To Kahlberts point about two applications, FLStudio makes for a very nice midi companion for S1. It can rewire to S1 or it can run as a VSTI inside of S1. Another option is Cubase Essentials.

The FLStudio option works particularly well because you can start your midi projects with it running standalone and once you move to audio recording or mixing just load it as a VSTI in S1 and open the FL song in a VSTI instance and keep going.

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So far 1.6 is not working well. It seems to be having a problem with the UAD cards and plug-ins. The lead vocal track (bused to main output) was bleeding intermittently into a backing vocal track that was routed to a whole different bus track. This stopped when I removed the UAD Neve 31102 EQ on the backing vocal track. But then the track wouldn't play and S1 hung so I had to force quit. This happened a few times as I tried to load this song and create a workaround by saving the file without the UAD EQ and reopening it, but no luck.

Also, 1.6 gets into a situation where it won't play back, and I have to restart the whole computer to make it start playing back.

And has anybody noticed that 1.6 seems to have a lot more high frequencies. I noticed this as soon as I loaded up songs that I've recently been working on. The cymbals were blasting and everything sounded a lot more crispy. Then I went back and forth between 1.5.2 and 1.6 on several different tunes. The same song files sound different to me, with 1.5.2 having less high end.

I think I'll be waiting for the next update. Hopefully there is a 1.6.1 in the works. Hey presonus guys, I know you worked hard on this. I'm mainly saying double-check with UAD cards, especially when the UAD cards are heavily loaded.
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