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DonaldLang
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Yip definitely a problem with only 4 sub groups. I recon that will kill the potential of this board. It needs 8 or 10.

Otherwise its looking phenomenal.

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yes 8 subs would be really nice and the future ability to use a digital snake , I'm really sick of heavy snakes
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Would this work?

1) When you "Assign" sub 5-12, the corresponding channel adopts the FAT general setting SUB parameters.
2) Assigning SUB 5-12 acts as an A/B channel/sub switch... so you won't lose FAT settings on the channel/sub when assigning/unassigning.
3) SUB 5-12 bypasses inputs for channels 25-32 (much like activating FW disengages the inputs as well).

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jakejam wrote:Would this work?

1) When you "Assign" sub 5-12, the corresponding channel adopts the FAT general setting SUB parameters.
2) Assigning SUB 5-12 acts as an A/B channel/sub switch... so you won't lose FAT settings on the channel/sub when assigning/unassigning.
3) SUB 5-12 bypasses inputs for channels 25-32



Personally I think even the 24 channel desks could have used more subs. You're initially suggesting an option to turn a 32 into a 24.... but with more subs.... at $5000 or so? Honestly dude, there are desks in the market that do that and much much more, for much less money. If anything, the people who're likely to need extra subs more, are those running upto a 32 channel mix.

I appreciate that everybody likes the single fader level layout of the SL, I do personally and I still think it sounds great, but if you're spending money on a new desk I urge you to try one of the "competing" desks for half an hour. You'll soon learn to live with the pro's and cons of the other mixer... and have a wad of cash spare to spend on other gear.. maybe replace the audiobox that's been popping and crackling for longer than you'd care to remember

I'm not about to let go of my existing SL, unless something goes horribly wrong, but presonus missed out on a chance to have the live sound stuff taken seriously/made rider friendly with their next product and failed miserably.

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There might be a simple route to more 'subgroups': Allow auxes to route to main out too. OK, it's knobs iso faders but at least it's something.

Aside from that it would really help to have the option to change the subs into stereo DCAs (for the 16.4.2 and the 24.4.2 too).
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@jambo:
Not really looking at turning a 32 into a 24 with 12 subs, I'm suggesting turning the 32 into a 32 with the
OPTION to assign up to 8 additional SUBS if you desire with a channel A/B switch on 25-32. I wouldn't think this would mean a higher-priced board, since all the changes would seem to be firmware (only with the addition of the extra 8 Assign buttons and 25-32 indicator lights).

@Switchback:
Stereo subgroups, in my thought process, wouldn't seem allow for "more" subgroup possibilities even though you could maybe assign 2 channels to 1 sub and pan hard... But that would defeat the purpose.
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To me, the sub groups aren't a big factor because I am buying my PA for my own band only. I totally get why people using their mixer for professional sound reinforcement might take issue with it, and I think that from that standpoint, four sub groups is a potential weakness of the board, particularly if you are running in stereo. I would assume, though, that you could run your front end in stereo but still use only one sub group rather than two, in other words not have to use two sub faders per group?

I do think that Presonus REALLY needs to get off of its inextricable bond to Apple, though. I am a PC/Android man and I would be a helluva lot more impressed with the new StudioLive if it, one, played nice with Android Tablets and, two, if you could record using USB to PC and not be bogged down by massie compatibility issues, not the least of which being having firewire in your laptop but not being sure if it is acceptable to play nice with the SL.
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@jakejam:
True if you run 100% mono. But for those running stereo the 4 mono subgroups now represent only 2 stereo subgroups...
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jakejam wrote:Would this work?

1) When you "Assign" sub 5-12, the corresponding channel adopts the FAT general setting SUB parameters.
2) Assigning SUB 5-12 acts as an A/B channel/sub switch... so you won't lose FAT settings on the channel/sub when assigning/unassigning.
3) SUB 5-12 bypasses inputs for channels 25-32



I pretty sure this will not work, at least it will not work by just changing the firmware of the board, because you would need motorized faders for that.

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@sania4

I'm confused. Why would you need active faders?

If you A/B the channel to SUB, how would that be any different than using SR Remote, then switching to the board?
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jakejam wrote:@sania4

I'm confused. Why would you need active faders?

If you A/B the channel to SUB, how would that be any different than using SR Remote, then switching to the board?


I tend not to do that, I use one or the other because I wouldn't like to be in locate mode when something goes awry.

So, for the now imaginary extra subs, you're happy to pay twice the money for a board that is no longer single layer and requires manual location of faders between layers, over boards that can deal with this much more efficiently?
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I can sure understand the benefits of active faders based on what you're saying, but I can't see how my "imaginary subs" would almost double the cost of the board... unless you're talking about the added price of "imaginary active faders".
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I'm saying there are "competing" desks with 32 channels, flying faders and many more subs, DCAs, and effects engines than the 32, at a fraction of the cost.

Granted you have to step through a layer (button press) to get to them, but you would with your suggestion also.. and some, when you factor in re-locating faders. I just don't see the point.
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jakejam wrote:I can sure understand the benefits of active faders based on what you're saying, but I can't see how my "imaginary subs" would almost double the cost of the board... unless you're talking about the added price of "imaginary active faders".


I believe he's referring to the price compared to the 24.4.2, but it's not going to be $5000, as he stated in an earlier post. MAP is $4000, and they will be available for less than that. The 32.4.2 is not the be all, end all, but personally I think it's a pretty significant upgrade for $700 or so. Even just the fact that many people won't have to buy and haul a computer should account for much of that.

All I can say on the matter of the buses is they aren't going to change anything physical on the board unless all it involves a sticker. Phantom Buses sound kind of interesting, but doubling up on the faders is asking for trouble, in my opinion.
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My "point" is having the option in a board to either use 32 channels and 4 subs, or 31 channels and 5 subs, 30 & 6, and so on. So if you're in the market for a 32 channel board but are not interested for now in assigning 12 subs, so-be-it... but if you either change your mind later or are interested in more subs, this option gives you the chance to configure YOUR board YOUR way - instead of being locked in to a much larger board with 12 subs you'll never use, or only 4 subs for a 32... You get to choose how many subs you want without sacrificing channels.
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