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andy martin
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Hi Can someone help here. I have 4 x QSC KW153s, some times I run just 2 & some gigs I run all 4. I am a DJ so playing recorded music. Does anyone run these will additional EQ. Currently I am running these strait out of the DJ Mixer into the speakers but feel the addition of a graphic Equaliser would improve the sound even further, any comments / advice would be appreciated.
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Ok,

I just brought 2 kw152 It will be on top of a double 15" jbl srx4733 2ways speaker. I will bi-amp the jbl and use it as sub. Can anyone tell me is this a good setup? What is a good crossover point, slope, and eq setting when engage the sub button on the kw152? I've use it once and it sounded that it doesn't fit well together.

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Greetings,
but feel the addition of a graphic Equaliser would improve the sound even further, any comments / advice would be appreciated.


The answer?... It depends...

In audio that is a recurrent axiom...

Wondering what brings you here? No Presonus gear and a lot of questions... I suspect you do because of the quality of the responses here..So much so that soon the forums majority will be accessible only with a verified hardware / software account (available under the "MyPresonus". This way, the ones that OWN the products get the service they deserve.

Doesn't cost much to get into the club, the best Live/Studio forum around....

They have to justify the expense of the forum...however.

Luckily, they see the value in a vibrant, involved community that helps solve the issues and fuels the fires that keep folks coming to Presonus for pristine audio quality, and finding products that are well made, offering high performance and ease of use. Oh and did I mention VALUE?

The QSC KW speakers are nice! I have used them and thought they sounded very good. ( 2 153's per side over 3 1X18 " manifold subs per side...)There were anomalies with the HF of the tops...I think it was destructively clipping...but over all sounded great!

I used a Driverack 260 to process the system...

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andy martin wrote:Hi Can someone help here. I have 4 x QSC KW153s, some times I run just 2 & some gigs I run all 4. I am a DJ so playing recorded music. Does anyone run these will additional EQ. Currently I am running these strait out of the DJ Mixer into the speakers but feel the addition of a graphic Equaliser would improve the sound even further, any comments / advice would be appreciated.


I wondered where this thread went. To answer your question, for DJ music, these are about the best you're going to get. For DJ music, depending on what you play, 2 tops and 4 subs should be plenty. EQ shouldn't be necessary. Make sure your gain structure is set up right, and nothing in the chain is clipping (in the red). You may notice quality suffering if your mixer is outputting a distorted signal, or if your music is of lower quality (anything lower than 128kbps)

Back to the thread. I finally bit the dust and purchased the new rig, along with a bunch of other stuff. Before, I was using the Studiolive 2442, with EV ELX speakers (4 12's, 2 15's and 2 18's, all powered), with assorted Shure mics. Now, the rig consists of

Studiolive 24.4.2
4 QSC KW153 15" three-way tops
4 QSC KW181 18" subwoofers
EV ELX for foldback
Audiopile 24x12-150ft reel snake
Audiopile mic and cable cases
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5 Audix RAD360 wireless systems with 5 handheld OM3's ( OM7 capsule) and 5 lav packs
6 Shure SM57's for instruments
Audix DP7 drum mic kit
16 Blizzard Fab5 RGBAW LED PAR cans

I had the system running first day, and it blew me away, the sound quality is awesome. Right now I'm running the tops normal, with a small slope at around 90Hz, and running the subs off an aux send (aux fed sub), and it sound AWESOME. Without the subs, the tops have plenty of punch and clarity, even at high volumes. I ran two tops over two subs (full range, mains only) for a small blues show this weekend, and the clarity of the Audix RAD360's into the KW's was amazing. I will be using them again the next two weekends, first one will be a small bar show (2 tops over 2-4 subs pending on size, and what I feel like doing lol), and the next one will be an all-day benefit with everything from vocalists to 4-5 piece bands. Full system comes out then Here are two demo videos that i took when I got the system.

Recorded music, Florida Georgia Line - Tell Me How You Like It: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=unqf1mcVLHI

Live Show (recorded before the KW's but with the Audix RAD360's), Southern Ground - Whistlin' Dixie: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0YeHQTTFEE8

Here's a couple clips from that same show, using the EV speakers all around. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJlev1DT4rA and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=abI4MQ2hAi8 (yes, I was a bit heavy on the delay, I realized that)
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Many thanks for the answers. To PreSonus, apologies I am from the UK as a DJ, its just that hardily anyone is using QSC153 speakers over here on the DJ scene so having Goggled things for reviews & advice your forum came up & unlike many English forums everybody seemed willing to help & gave sensible answers....just what I was looking for.

I am always looking to find something new & as a DJ using KW153s here in the UK its a new thing almost & very little information seems to exist with regards to reviews & advise, so thank you.

With regards to the DJ Mixer Set up I am using the top of the range Pioneer DJM 2000 mixer & it isn't a case of running in the red or clipping or music quality, all that is fine. yes the sound is awesome I just wondered if people were using separate EQ &* what there experiences were if they were doing that. Both speakers & mixer are new to me so just enquiring.

Just love the video of the 4 KW153s over the 4 KW181s.

At some point I shall be getting the 4 KW181s to go with them.

Thanks for all your help.
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andy martin wrote:Many thanks for the answers. To PreSonus, apologies I am from the UK as a DJ, its just that hardily anyone is using QSC153 speakers over here on the DJ scene so having Goggled things for reviews & advice your forum came up & unlike many English forums everybody seemed willing to help & gave sensible answers....just what I was looking for.

I am always looking to find something new & as a DJ using KW153s here in the UK its a new thing almost & very little information seems to exist with regards to reviews & advise, so thank you.

With regards to the DJ Mixer Set up I am using the top of the range Pioneer DJM 2000 mixer & it isn't a case of running in the red or clipping or music quality, all that is fine. yes the sound is awesome I just wondered if people were using separate EQ &* what there experiences were if they were doing that. Both speakers & mixer are new to me so just enquiring.

Just love the video of the 4 KW153s over the 4 KW181s.

At some point I shall be getting the 4 KW181s to go with them.

Thanks for all your help.


If I was you, I would go ahead and get at least one pair of the KW181's. The 153's are great, but they lack the low of the low end, which the KW181's were designed to do. I wouldn't worry about an EQ if you are playing DJ music most of the time, maybe a dual 15 band EQ would help get rid of reverb in large areas, but other than that it's not necessary...in the DJ world, EQ's can cause more harm than good. Make sure your audio files are of a higher quality (128kbps or greater), set up proper gain structure, and you should be fine. The KW series is a GREAT loudspeaker as far as audio quality goes IMHO, so you shouldn't need an EQ.
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I tried to hold off but could only wait so long so I went ahead with the EV ELX speakers for now. I needed a full system and didn't have $6000. I will upgrade to PreSonus AI speakers once they're out and the business is stable. Mono is helping me with one of the bigger benefit gigs I have. Still hoping this rig will be big enough for the local Harley parking lot summer concert series I landed. We'll find out on the 31st. At least the first gig with them is for my own band...
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mwright137 wrote:I tried to hold off but could only wait so long so I went ahead with the EV ELX speakers for now. I needed a full system and didn't have $6000. I will upgrade to PreSonus AI speakers once they're out and the business is stable. Mono is helping me with one of the bigger benefit gigs I have. Still hoping this rig will be big enough for the local Harley parking lot summer concert series I landed. We'll find out on the 31st. At least the first gig with them is for my own band...


Shouldn't have too much trouble. Here's a video using the 15's over 18's. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z43CsvOXCC8

Also, you should have messaged me, I know a dealer who could cut you a hell of a deal.
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I could have gotten them cheaper but needed easy pay plans online. Bad fortunes of bad money decisions in my past. I went with ELX112P's on top after long deliberations and some recommendations from Mono. I can use them as monitors when I upgrade the mains...
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mwright137 wrote:I could have gotten them cheaper but needed easy pay plans online. Bad fortunes of bad money decisions in my past. I went with ELX112P's on top after long deliberations and some recommendations from Mono. I can use them as monitors when I upgrade the mains...


Sounds like me. That's what I'm going to be doing for a while. 4 KW153 over 4 KW181 mains, 4 ELX112P, 2 ELX115P, & 2 ELX118P for foldback.
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So was I right about them Melvis?

Also, I have you a solution for the outdoor stuff you've gotta do.
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They'll get their first true test this Saturday. I've been so busy I haven't even hooked them up yet

And thanks a million for your solution to our outdoor problem. I have no idea how we'll ever repay all you've done for us...
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mwright137 wrote:They'll get their first true test this Saturday. I've been so busy I haven't even hooked them up yet

And thanks a million for your solution to our outdoor problem. I have no idea how we'll ever repay all you've done for us...


Care to share your little secret? Lol. Always good to help others out when they need it. Anyways, got the system out this weekend, for a total of 20 people (there turned out to be a jazz festival downtown that supposedly killed off their business that night, so we'll see about next time. One thing's for sure, we're not doing a "100% of the door" ever again. But the system sounded good, lol. 2 KW153's over 4 KW181's, there was plenty of volume for sure.

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No secret. Mono is gonna let me use some speakers for the bigger outside gigs I have.

The EVs were great last night. I'm a very happy camper...
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Glad to assist anywhere I can.

And I'd rather these get used as opposed to sitting in my garage. If I need em, I know where they are.
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