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S1 vs Sonar X1 just a quick experience.
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keys88
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A friend of mine came to me with some 4-track 1/2 inch tapes recorded on some 70's Tascam gear.
He had a couple of cassette mixdown tapes to use as reference but no masters and wanted them mixed down to approximate the cassette "masters".

The music was traditional jazz with vocals.

I played the tunes on my Tascam deck and recorded into S1.
I then used iZotopes RX to clean up the flutter and scrape noise a bit using an impulse taken from a "silent" section of tape.

I then just played around with S1's FX chains and within an hour or two had a working mix for the 5 tunes, which were very similar.

Job done and it sounds nice.

After he left, I decided to try the same with Sonar X1, using the same wave files imported.
I played around with Prochannel but couldn't get the sound I was looking for.
Sometimes I would select a preset and it wouldn't even display in the menu box!
Sometimes the meters moved, other times they didn't even though turned on.
It was a mess.
I spent so much time screwing around with windows, placement on my dual monitors, maximizing, minimizing stuff that I just got frustrated and gave up.

What a mess.

That's just my experience.
YMMV.

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I'm also an ex one, I mean I was using Sonar X1.

I'm back on track with my album release date in 2011 after being down since december 8th. Its fun to be an musician again an having a blast in Studio One.

best,

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dezacrator wrote:I'm also an ex one, I mean I was using Sonar X1.

I'm back on track with my album release date in 2011 after being down since december 8th. Its fun to be an musician again an having a blast in Studio One.

best,



Its not good X1, I just been in The Proscess of trying to get my money back (Chargeback service) for my X1 upgrade, my bank have paid m ethe money back, but not sure if it is going to stick yet so cant spend it, they may ask for it back, but i have one thing going for this, X1 is broke and it dont do what it says on the Tin lol, And i have a lot of proof even buy way of the forum and brandon from cakewalk admiting many fualts,so on those grounds and their admitance along with all my reports, i should beat them, If i dont i will fight this.

I was a S1 user from day one, and i left on A whim, and boy was that a sad mistake, missed it ever since, Just also got caught up in Cubase 6 Previewing, but after testing Cubase 5 at a mates and although S1 is missing a few things yet, It is just so ******* Their in terms of all round quality,not forgetting automation System/Drawing and control link have been the big Clincher, once you use these in S1 you cant go back to another.
So for myself today i am just in the proscess of buying S1 again, just hope i dont have to wait too long for my delivery 3-12 days is the best i can do in the Uk, its going to seem like a long wait but worth it, i think S1 is one future that is a safe Bet.

Good to here Positive feedback, it just helps me know that i have backed the Right horse at last.
Welcom to the forums keys88 and dezacrator .

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Just imagine being able to have this view in s1, for multiple lanes at the same time, better than the multi lane midi editor,which is more for orchestral arrangent, and bare in mind you cant beat this for drum sequencing also, its a must have view.
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Long time CakeWalk/Sonar user here too..

For me..S1 simplifies the process of making/recording music. I get things done much faster, and in a enjoyable way!

Everything is well thought/layed out....and works!!! Works! Imagine that!

When Sonar X1 was released (I bought the upgrade) I tried my best to get used to it, but I kept gravitating to S1 .

If I never tried/purchased S1, I probably would've stuck it out with Sonar, issues and all...but, sometimes, the grass is actually greener on the 'other side'..

I've no regrets switching to S1 as my main daw.

I hope Presonus continues to stay focused on the 'core' of Studio One in future versions/upgrades and not get side-tracked with the 'fluffy stuff''. Keep it simple, yet effective!

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lhansen wrote:Long time CakeWalk/Sonar user here too..

For me..S1 simplifies the process of making/recording music. I get things done much faster, and in a enjoyable way!

Everything is well thought/layed out....and works!!! Works! Imagine that!

When Sonar X1 was released (I bought the upgrade) I tried my best to get used to it, but I kept gravitating to S1 .

If I never tried/purchased S1, I probably would've stuck it out with Sonar, issues and all...but, sometimes, the grass is actually greener on the 'other side'..

I've no regrets switching to S1 as my main daw.

I hope Presonus continues to stay focused on the 'core' of Studio One in future versions/upgrades and not get side-tracked with the 'fluffy stuff''. Keep it simple, yet effective!

Cheers,

Larry



That's been my experience as well...stuff just gets DONE

All the best,
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My Sonar X1 upgrade comes next week (three weeks after ordering in the UK...they've had a run on them apparently, so the marketing push in Europe seems to have worked, but that's a lot of potential grumpy new customers if CW don't get the impending fixes out early Feb).

After eight years' investment in time, not say a lot of annual upgrade money, I'm going to give X1 a good go. In the last couple of weeks I've been trying Srudio One (having bought the NAMM offer) and have been very impressed so far. I'm going to try doing a full project in Studio One as that's the only way to really see if it fits my needs. The only issue I've encountered so far, a big issue for me, is Studio One's poor MIDI implementation compared to Sonar's. This is no doubt due to Sonar's origins as a sequencer first and then an audio DAW second and Studio One's straight origins as primarily an audio DAW. I really miss being able to 'talk' to my Roland Fantom X6 hardware synth, auditioning named patches from the MIDI track. That issue may well trade off against other overwhelming advantages of switching to Studio One. We'll see how things pan out in the next couple of weeks!

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I'm still using both Sonar (8.5.3, not X1) and S1. Can't wait to uninstall Sonar, but that will be a long time from now (need better MIDI workflow in S1).
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I, too, am a long time (7 years) Sonar user - and it has been my "go-to" host for sure.

I started using Ableton Live a little over a year ago as a "2nd" host. I like it a lot, but it's not designed as a host as other hosts are, which is ok though.

However, I have been using S1 (pro) for a couple weeks now, and I'm having an incredible time not worrying about crashing and showstopping bugs (as are in X1).

So I think Studio One is in the right direction, very solid - beautiful audio engine, etc.

I also hope Presonus continues developing it in the areas that seem, via consensus, to need improvement.

But I will also continue to use Sonar (IF they get it solid again) as well.

They both will be great hosts and we really don't have to choose one or another if they are both functional.

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ba-midi wrote:I, too, am a long time (7 years) Sonar user - and it has been my "go-to" host for sure.

I started using Ableton Live a little over a year ago as a "2nd" host. I like it a lot, but it's not designed as a host as other hosts are, which is ok though.

However, I have been using S1 (pro) for a couple weeks now, and I'm having an incredible time not worrying about crashing and showstopping bugs (as are in X1).

So I think Studio One is in the right direction, very solid - beautiful audio engine, etc.

I also hope Presonus continues developing it in the areas that seem, via consensus, to need improvement.

But I will also continue to use Sonar (IF they get it solid again) as well.

They both will be great hosts and we really don't have to choose one or another if they are both functional.



Ba, you know they always get solid (Cakewalk). Every time they come out with a new product a storm ensues. It always has taken them a couple of patches to calm the storm. Nothing is new this time around (except the new interface). This is why I don't upgrade immediately. I let the dust settle, then I weigh up my options; if I feel I REALLY need it then I jump in, but never right away.
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I agree, they will probably get things normalized soon - but this has been a more contentious release than I remember them having with previous ones.

I also think this is a new time. CW didn't have a whole lot of 'good' competition in the past (for the PC market), now they do.

So they have to get this right.

In the meanwhile, Studio One has been a very smooth ride, and I'm happy I got on board and will continue to grow with it (as I will with Sonar as well).

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Billy, you're a big MIDI guy. Aren't you finding the MIDI in S1 a bit confining?
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Well, I am. Finding it just a bit confining that is. And, of course, it's missing several key things that really differentiate S1 from X1 in the professional DAW department. That said, I tend to agree with Billy and others who sense that S1 is improving literally day by day and having much of the "bloat" left out. AND... it is ROCK SOLID STABLE...at least on my machine. Sure it doesn't have or do some of the things I need or wish it to...but, just like I did with Sonar, I'm willing to give it the chance to improve. I'm pretty sure it will. For the time being it will be my "backup" DAW and, most likely, my mastering DAW ( I luuuuuvvvvv that feature). But if things proceed apace...I wouldn't be surprised to find it my ONLY DAW. And soon...very soon. YMMV.
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bitflipper wrote:Billy, you're a big MIDI guy. Aren't you finding the MIDI in S1 a bit confining?


Actually I'm not (yet). I finally got determined to do a whole new track in Studio One. I didn't hit any road blocks or show stoppers at all yet.

It doesn't have "groove clipping", for example; but it has a different approach to accomplish the same thing. So while this is a minor limitation, it in no way stops me.

There are some things in Sonar that are helpful -- like having a "Solo" button in plugin GUI's that would be nice to have in S1. Also it seems that when plugin GUI's are open they receive all keystrokes so you can't even use key commands (like "S" for soloing a track), and that's a drawback as well in S1.

And, yes, Sonar has a more robust feature sets in a number of areas -- but the strange thing is, as I was creating this new tune, I really found things flowing pretty nicely.

What made it especially nice is this comfortable feeling that S1 wasn't going to crash. For the 7 years Sonar has been my sidekick, there was always a certain timidity because crashes would happen at inconvenient times, or it would just go POOF out to the desktop with no way to save what I had. So I got in the habit of saving after almost everything edit/tweak.

In S1 I find myself not doing that (though saving often). I also find that the smoothness of being able to edit, drop in plugins, etc, without the audio engine burping was a really welcome feeling, and kept my flow going.

Now, as time goes on and I add more tracks to the new tune and work it more, I may run into things that cause problems (as opposed to features that aren't there yet), so I don't know. It hasn't happened yet.

I wish it had things like Track Folders and other features too (that I've seen a number on this forum also would like), but they are not show stoppers either.

So I'll keep ya posted as I continue my journey with S1 and how it's doing with MIDI in general, Dave. But as I say, so far there's been a nice flow.

PS- are you back from vacation?
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"Dane" to the music of life?? Is that a "Miller's Crossing" reference?
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yorolpal wrote:Well, I am. Finding it just a bit confining that is. And, of course, it's missing several key things that really differentiate S1 from X1 in the professional DAW department. That said, I tend to agree with Billy and others who sense that S1 is improving literally day by day and having much of the "bloat" left out. AND... it is ROCK SOLID STABLE...at least on my machine. Sure it doesn't have or do some of the things I need or wish it to...but, just like I did with Sonar, I'm willing to give it the chance to improve. I'm pretty sure it will. For the time being it will be my "backup" DAW and, most likely, my mastering DAW ( I luuuuuvvvvv that feature). But if things proceed apace...I wouldn't be surprised to find it my ONLY DAW. And soon...very soon. YMMV.


Ol Pal, in what ways are you finding it confining? I'm curious

BTW, I'm actually using Studio One ONLY now. I haven't touched X1 in awhile and don't intend to until they get some patches out to us.

An interesting situation happened ....

NI released a public beta for Maschine 1.6. I installed it and it works perfectly (so far) in Studio One, Ableton Live and Reaper. The new beta increased the outputs from 8 to 16 among other things.

However, it makes NO SOUND whatsoever in Sonar (any version) and causes an almost immediate dropout as well.

Some of us brought it up on the Sonar forums and it got moved to the "software" forum with a comment from one of the CW people that basically shrugged it off.

I was a bit stunned. A major product (Maschine) works in 3 others hosts but not theirs and they shrug it off? I don't understand that way of thinking.

So to make a long story short - I decided I'm just going to stay working in Studio One for now. And it's the first time in 7 years I felt very alienated from Sonar (and their attitude).

I actually was having FUN working in Studio One because of the it's solid audio engine and stability. One doesn't realize how important that is if one doesn't experience it.

These are interesting times in the DAW world, for sure.

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