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PhilG
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went into my local music shop today and saw a pair of Yamaha DSR112 powered speakers - im pretty fond of yamaha stuff and I have been using the MRS400's as floor wedges for quite a while.

Going to listen to these speakers today pretty excited about them - 1300w 850 bottom 450 top, interesting they went this way with qsc/jbl running 500/500 - they are priced just below the other 2 as well.

5 year warranty over here too - I just hope they sound sweet

http://www.yamahaproaudio.com/products/speakers/dsr_series/features.html

they also have 1x15 2x15 and 1x18 sub in the same range

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Might wanna check out the EV new ELXP series. Word on the street their gonna give JBL PRX series some stiff competition since their cheaper. Lot folks over the net have been chiming in about how great they sound. Plus being made from wood vs composite plastic.
I'm a wood box fan boy myself. Anyway just thought I would give you a heads up since your shopping around.
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Interesting.

It does not exactly say whether it is a wood box or a plastic box... that makes a huge difference... I haven't heard any plastic boxes that sound good at really high volumes.

I will say Yamaha products are usually fool proof and normally handle abuse very well. I may try to find out about the cabinet...
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I just sold 2 QSC K12's (they are plastic) after doing and a/b test between them and JBL PRX 615's (wood) the JBL's blew them away in my opinion.
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I've had the EV ZXA1's for about a year now, and I love them.
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I bought the QSC KW 122 series tops with two KW181 subs. Running the SL16 through these is hard to beat for sound quality in a small PA. I've found in my 25+ years of playing in public and mixing sound that you get what you pay for. Just make sure you research everything and if you can, try to listen to the boxes side by side in the music store. Then get whatever you like depending on your priorities.
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Yeah I have gone off full wooden cabs now, too heavy when you have to do 2 setups and pull downs per day, want light and good quality sound

the PRX612's have a very thin wood cabnet that is reinforced by the plastic, the K12 and 112 both have full plastic cabs and the weight factor is very low all 3 are alot lighter than any full wooden cabinet though

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The QSC KWs are a birch cab but are relatively light for powered cabs. KW122s are 39 lbs and the KW181 Subs are 100 lbs but they have great handles and heavy duty casters. Much better than the old JBL system I had. I essentially knocked off 600Lbs worth of power amps, rack gear, and speakers by going to the SL16 and the QSCs. Makes a difference before and after the gig. Here's the best part. It just sounds better without all the extra gear in the signal chain. It's a lot easier to mix. Problem with the plastic stuff is that it can't match wood for warmth of sound.

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These are very interesting choices, QSC k12 (1000w), yamaha DSR112 (1300w), PRX 612 (1000w), and may I add another? How about the Peavey Impulse 12D (1200w)?

I had a pair of Yorkville NX55p's and warranty ran out so I sold them for some K10's. Ive been very unimpressed with the k10's as monitors, the Yorkvilles have a warmer sound plus were sounded louder beside being rated a 550w? I dont know if it has to do with the woofer being larger...either way I'm looking for a pair of 12's and want to try the Peaveys or Yamaha. The 5 year warranty is just awesome.
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I've heard the Peavey's. They were surprisingly smooth for a budget box. Not perfect but better than expected. The highs were a little rough and would need some tuning to get a decent sound. The cab had a little bit of vibration as well but not terrible.

I'm waiting for my local gear pusher to get the new Yammies in.
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I really want to hear the new Impulse 12D, the features are great (ribbon HF driver, expansion input cards, and the field replaceable woofers are a gig saver). I just hope its not a Behringer situation - lots of features, but nothing really works like it's supposed to.

QSC is one of the few makers of decent sounding plastic enclosures, IMO. Haven't heard the RCF's, no one in Michigan has them (they're a European based company, correct?)

EDIT - Speaking of the Yammy warranty, has anyone ever tried to claim one? If you didn't know, no manufacturer warranty covers "Professional Use", and Yamaha is terribly strict on that. I had countless customers tell me that they were denied because of "pro use" - they made $50 at a bar playing, and to Yamaha, that makes you a pro. Whatever you do, just don't mention "gig" or "bar" or anything about them being used anywhere but in your personal home.

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Mcameron wrote:Interesting.

It does not exactly say whether it is a wood box or a plastic box... that makes a huge difference... I haven't heard any plastic boxes that sound good at really high volumes.

I will say Yamaha products are usually fool proof and normally handle abuse very well. I may try to find out about the cabinet...


You've not heard RCF 500 or 700 series then. Really, even the 300 series sounds pretty darn good, especially at their new lower price point.

The problem with plastic cabinets is that they are often used to make el-cheapo speakers. All the budget stuff is thin walled crap plastic cabinets with the cheapest drivers available. There are good plastic/composite cabinets out there, just not as many as there are junk ones.

The Yamaha's sound interesting and I hope they finally got it right. They've been completely uncompetitive in the powered speaker market for the last decade. They started out as one of the first MI brands, but then dropped their powered line altogether. When they came back the products weren't competitive with what was in the market at the same price (at least in the states). The new stuff looks to be the real deal though. It's price and weight is above the QSC K series and JBL PRX so they'll have to win out on quality because they won't on price point and convenience.

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Dears,

Anyone had a chance to listen to the Yamaha DSR's in the meantime? Anyone has experience with Yamaha speakers in general? Would appreciate your opinion(s).

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Might wanna check out the EV new ELXP series. Word on the street their gonna give JBL PRX series some stiff competition since their cheaper. Lot folks over the net have been chiming in about how great they sound. Plus being made from wood vs composite plastic.
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I have 8 prx612s and love them. For wide coverage I mount 2 on each prx618xls. I really like the qsc kw112 s too though. Overall, in this range, the prx 625s take the ribbon. 60 lbs and unbeatable sound. Four of these with four 618xls will cover just about any small or medium system needs.
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