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mattaudio
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I have a StudioLive that one of my bands uses it frequently. Another one of my bands wants a simple monitor rig to bring to gigs, with a low channel count but more options for custom monitor mixes.

What about using a FireStudio or other interface? Would the built-in DSP mixing work for monitor mixes in a live environment so long as the mics/etc were the same at every gig? Would it pass audio even if not hooked up to a PC? What are the risks with this idea?
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Could you explain how you're considering setting everything up and what other equipment you're using?

The concept isn't impossible but there are some headaches involved. Computer latency is a big one. If you're adding effects via VST then you're going to get some delay that could cause timing issues for the band. Especially in combination with live instruments like guitar amps. Its not something that can't be overcome but a fairly powerful computer will be required.
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mattaudio
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Does the computer actually do monitor mixing for the FireStudio?

Other than my StudioLive, my only experience was with an RME product that had TotalMix or a MOTU product that had CueMix. These were PC-controlled applications to control mixing within the interface, but the mixing was actually done separate from passing audio to the PC. I like my StudioLive, so I was hoping to keep my PreSonus familiarity and get a FireStudio.

I'd wire up custom snakes for inputs which would always have a consistent mic or source. These would go into a mic splitter/transformer with a tail for the house (if needed), and then into the FireStudio. Then using the output channels we'd go back to four powered wedges on stage.

Does the FireStudio mix via the computer or onboard?
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I've thought about doing this as well, and while I haven't tried it live, I do it at rehearsal. Just a couple of mixes, though. The Firestudio can spit out 9 stereo zero latency mixes due to it's built in DSP. To get that many, though, you'd need another interface connected to get the extra outputs. You can also patch your inputs directly to the outputs to act as pass-throughs, so if you had a firestudio, and some sort of 8x8 ADAT interface, you could send your 4 mixes plus 12 pass throughs. If that's enough pass throughs, you wouldn't need splitters. You'll have to remember, though, there's no other processing, such as EQ.

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You can make it happen. Unless I'm mistaken, the computer has to be connected to make the FireStudio operate. That could open up the possibility of some headaches. If you lose your computer you lose your monitor system. So make sure the computer side is bulletproof. Redundant everything possible.

The advantage is that you have the capabilies of the computer to add DSP to the monitors. All the EQ you could possibly want and full routing of every input to a single ouptut, vice versa, or anything in-between.

Like I said, its possible but I wouldn't jump into it unless you already have the pieces laying around collecting dust.
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My advice and suggestions should never be considered advice or suggestions. These are mostly insane ramblings of a poor aircraft mechanic who can, strangely enough, still hear.

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Yes, theoretically this setup is possible. I bought a Firestudio and the Presonus 8 channel preamp (can't think of the name of the top of my head) to try this out last summer. The thought was to use this setup as a very portable monitor mixer for our In Ear Monitors when we do fly in gigs.

While I found that it is possible, it's not exactly easy....at least for me. I found the software mixer app that Presonus gives you extremely complex and daunting. I consider myself a fairly technical guy, but in the end I was just spending way too much time trying to figure out how to get the program to work the way I wanted it to and I just abandoned the project. I had also tried using Studio One, with little more success. Again, I'm not saying it can't be done and obviously there are folks who have made it work, but I wasn't able to make it work. Maybe with a little more time, focus and patience I could get it where I need it to be, I just rarely have that much time to devote to anything.

Good luck and I hope you get it working the way you want. If you do please post the solution so we can all learn from your experience.
davidss1
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hey guys,,check out SAC www.softwareaudioconsole.com live mixing program.
really amazing software,,too many features to start to mention
i see this concept as the future for live audio.
i have a few sac rigs with 23" touchscreens and motorised fader packs etc.
,,,,many say,,"once u go sac, ull never go back ! "

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Hey Dave,

Shot you back a PM. I just downloaded the demo for SAC. Neat little piece of tech! I'm just fiddling with it a bit on my netbook. I don't have a lot of time to play around with it today but I'm gonna throw it on my big system this week and see what I can make it do with the gear I have in the garage right now.

It's given me a few ideas for my own systems. Something like this on a serious machine would be absolutely unstoppable. My mobile rack system should be able to handle quite a few channels even with VST running on them.

How much redundancy do you build into the systems you use for this? I'm assuming at least hotswap redundant power supplies and battery backups. Is the computer at the stage? How do you manage the video and keyboard/mouse capabilities over long hauls? I saw that there was TCP/IP capability written into the software, what is that used for?

I've got about a thousand questions. I think I could make use of this. We will definitely be talking.
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Tallest guy in the Mod Squad with all his hair still on his head.

No I'm not a freaking pilot!! The Air Force won't let me have a suit with a zipper...or sometimes shoestrings.

My advice and suggestions should never be considered advice or suggestions. These are mostly insane ramblings of a poor aircraft mechanic who can, strangely enough, still hear.

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davidss1
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hi jon,,,great to see ur interest.
my "top" machine will run 72 channels ,with all fucntions active (stress test,30 hrs+),,5 para eq,,2 bandpass filters,,,gate and comp,,6x aux running,,,duplicated over 12 monitor consoles ( each mon send can have its own complete mixer ! 24 mon consoles available each with 8 physical and 16 virtual outs ), running a total of about 50 various plugins (fx and DSP on some outs),,,for a cpu load under 20% and sac buffer load completing @256 in aprox 50% of time allowed

up to 24 wireless remotes can be utilised

i am using an adat to cat5 extension system for adat based interfaces i have which allows the host machine to be at foh if desired,,or at stage and utilise a wireless terminal @ foh this extension system also allows for "splits".,,many many options,,,thats what i love about this system,,,up to ur imagination.

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