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szurbrick
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So back from gig. If I'm being honest it was a fail. It was a combination the app and the connection dropping constantly. I had a wireless router up about 6 feet and it disconnected a few times during the first set at about 20 feet or so (our old sound guy came out and mixed the first set with it. He left after first set and I put it on my mic stand about 8 or so feet away and it wouldn't stay connected longer than a minute or two. My guess is the wifi doesn't like the 7 other wireless devices we have and the 2 other wireless networks that were available. The stinker was when it came back up the mixer had disconnected from the app so it was a constant back and forth of "start page", "demo mixer", "start page", "my mixer" (the only way to get it to recognize the mixer once it has disconnected is to toggle out of the mixer and to the demo then back to your mixer). If you don't do this it will show your mixer, but it will all be blank. That's something that really needs to be fixed.

Comment from my sound guy - The "slide your finger across the channels to get to channels beyond #12" is not a good design. Often enough when you slide your finger, instead of moving to the next set of channels it changes the slider position of one or more channels. I actually noticed the same thing earlier today when I was playing around with it. I also was bummed that I couldn't do a "finger slide" mute of the channels in view. If you slide your fingers over the mutes it just changes the channels to the next bank so you have to poke through the mutes on each channel.

It looks cool in the demo video, but in the real world it's not practical. A solution is to put arrows on the bottom right and left in the black bar that has the other menu items centered. There's nothing on the left and right so you could just put arrows there to move to the other channels. This would give you a stable control surface that doesn't move under your fingers. Perhaps add a menu item in the settings to turn off and on the finger slide feature (still keeping the arrows on the left and right.)

Another issue, and it's a pretty big one if you really want full control of the mixer, is that you have no feedback for compression and gating. You can see a pretty picture of the settings for both and can move around the controls, but have no idea what's really happing as it's just static with no signal input overlayed on the graphic. I'm assuming this is something that's coming down the road.

So overall tonight, due to the constant loss of connectivity, it was more a novelty than a practical application. It just didn't stay "lit" long enough to use.

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tcoleman2
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lostinsound wrote:
szurbrick wrote:I'm not happy with the "ad hoc" network connection (PC to iPad). Can anyone help me with setting up a wireless router to connect to the iPad? I have no clue how to set this up as it's not what you normally use the router for. Any help would be appreciated.

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Hi tcoleman2, thanks for sharing! This is just the information I was looking for; I'm considering either adding a 2nd SL16 to my rig or replacing my current SL16 with a 24. I agree that it would be awesome for remote to recognize daisy-chained boards and see them as one large board, as one of the big selling points of the SL series is expandability!

I'm still on the fence though; having 2 SL16s would mean I could send out two rigs on the same night for smaller shows and still give me the extra channels for larger shows. I would also have a backup console at smaller shows.

I really like the idea of using SL remote instead of VNC. Just for my info, what's the process of logging out of one console with SL Remote and logging into the other console when they're daisy-chained? Is it just a click or two? Obviously it's not ideal regardless, but I could use all the info I can get before making this decision! Thanks to everyone for sharing your experiences so far, and thanks for the videos, Big Joe Daddy!



To switch consoles, you click on a button in the upper left corner of the screen that says START. That takes you back to the home WiFi select screen which shows all available consoles (plus the "demo"). One problem is that the boards aren't labeled in any way, so I don't know if I'm logging onto the master or slave console until after connecting. In any case, then you select the console you want to connect to. There is then a brief lag while the mixer interface loads back up.

So it isn't that bad, but there is no way to adjust aux sends across all 32 channels at once and it makes quick fader adjustments across the 1-16,17-32 or sub group 1-4, 5-8 divide slow and tedious.
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Ok, just did some testing and discovered why the mixer won't stay connected...... It's my Line 6 wireless microphone! No issues until I turn it on. Once on the iPad loses sync with the mixer within 60 seconds. I've spent the last hour screwing with the router and changing everything possible. I have found a channel on the router that seems to keep it connected (#2 on the mic and #7 on the router). I chose #2 for my mic because the bass player has a newer Line6 wireless unit too so I'm hoping putting it on #1 will work out. The new Line 6 wireless units operate on 2.4 Ghz so they are interfering with the router. It is an "N" router so should be capable of operating at a 5 Ghz, but I really don't know what it's actually doing as there is no "N" mode, just a "mixed" mode of b/g/n. It doesn't help that there is a bug with the StudioLive app that resets the app if it loses connection for a fraction of a second. If that were fixed I'm guessing I'd just experience periodic latency. Anyway.... bummer, but I hope it's fixed, for now anyway. Who knows how it will act in various venues.
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get an airport express, they are tiny and I have used them inside with senheiser shure and line 6 wireless gear with no drop outs

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PhilG wrote:get an airport express, they are tiny and I have used them inside with senheiser shure and line 6 wireless gear with no drop outs


- That is what I use. No problems.
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fazmanicg wrote:
PhilG wrote:get an airport express, they are tiny and I have used them inside with senheiser shure and line 6 wireless gear with no drop outs


- That is what I use. No problems.


which Line 6 wireless? The latest Line 6 stuff is in the 2.4 Ghz band. I did a bunch of testing last night with my Line 6 XD-70V mic. Even though it was on low power, it disrupted my home network as well as the network the iPad was on. As far as I can tell there is only one solution and that is to get an N router that operates in the 5 Ghz space. Most N routers are 2.4 with increased bandwidth. That's what I have. True 5 Ghz routers cost more. Since true 5 Ghz routers are dual band and also broadcast on 2.4 at the same time, as far as I can tell, I'm now looking for proof the iPad is capable of using 5 Ghz signals.

The airport express is true 5 Ghz so that's a good thing.

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We use a Sure ULX Wireless mic for our lead singer, and (2) Line 6 XDS-Plus wireless Guitar systems. I have not experienced any dropouts as of yet. I will do further testing however.

I have not had to look into this before, but I believe the Airport Express can be configured to use only the 5ghz N freq. It does have both 2.4 and 5ghz. I will try it out later and let you know.


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fazmanicg wrote:We use a Sure ULX Wireless mic for our lead singer, and (2) Line 6 XDS-Plus wireless Guitar systems. I have not experienced any dropouts as of yet. I will do further testing however.

I have not had to look into this before, but I believe the Airport Extreme can be configured to use only the 5ghz N freq. It does have both 2.4 and 5ghz. I will try it out later and let you know.




Your wireless units should not interfere with the 2.4 band. It's the newest Line 6 wireless stuff that does.The XDS stuff is 900 Mhz and the ULX is probably in the 500 - 700 Mhz range

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Ran Airport utility on my macbook Pro and set the wireless to use 802.11n on 5GHz ONLY. (It has an option for 802.11n 2.4GHz only as well).
Both the Macbook and the iPad connected with NO problem. The only thing with the Airport Express is, there are no ports to directly connect a Cat5 cable to the wireless router to your Macbook/Laptop. Both Macbook & iPad are on the Wireless network. You have to run Airport Utility to get into the router. It is working perfectly.

This confirms that the iPad will use the 5GHz freq.

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Cool, I just bought an airport express. I'll test it tonight.
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This is very important information to have since almost all of my clients are running the new Line 6 wireless mics and I'm getting a lot of interest in the new SL Remote app. Let us know how the setup works with the iPad running on the 5ghz band.
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Just dawned on me that this isn't going to work. With the airport not having a way to wire my laptop into the router I'll be wifi to the router then to the ipad. So I'll be 2.4 Ghz from my laptop to the airport since my laptop is a "G" (it's 4 yrs old). So it's back to the drawing board. I need a "real router" with 5 G, which will cost less than a new macbook pro. Back to Best Buy!
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Keep the airport express and get one of these. It works on 5GHz

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833127247

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SL 16.4.2 - (2) QSC K12 - (2) QSC KW181 - (2) QSC KW152 - (5) Audix OM-6 - (2) Audix OM-7 - (2) Audix ADX-51 - (1) Sure ULX Wireless - (2) Shure PSM200 - MacBook Pro OS X 10.6.8 - APC Battery Backup - Furman P-1800 AR - http://www.avenuegroove.com
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airport express has a cat 5 - I use it all the time - airtunes is also a handy feature

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szurbrick
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PhilG wrote:airport express has a cat 5 - I use it all the time - airtunes is also a handy feature



But that Cat5 is for the "uplink" connection, right? does is work where you take a laptop and plug it directly from the laptop ethernet to the airport ethernet?
 
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