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Just what is the story with the user manual? Why are half the features not documented?
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LMike
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P.S. As to the various actions and what they do, here's a public spreadsheet some of us created about two years ago that could probably should be updated to include some of that random information...

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AohMaVwwcApNdHpCcV9VeWZRTWNpVzQ5SUFJcTY1TWc&usp=drive_web#gid=0
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Something which a lot of you may not have realised is that a good user manual benefits not only the users but also Presonus. I am not a technical writer but I have written technical manuals for various pieces of electronic equipment and software as part of my work. I always ensure that what I write is true, making no assumptions or omissions. To that end I verify every statement I write on the actually equipment/software. In the process I uncover inconsistencies which I report immediately or fix myself if I am in charge of the project. In short, when you write a manual you are putting yourself in the end user's shoes.

If the writer decides to skip a feature because it appears to be self-explanatory, or because of time constraints, that's an assumption, and there's a chance a bug or an inconsistency may go unnoticed. Here is a famous quote from Under Siege 2: Dark Territory on the subject of assumption.

Not surprisingly, quite a few Studio One commands that are vaguely documented or not at all appear not to work as expected. Other commands seem to be a duplicate of another command and it is not clear what the difference is. I find myself turning to the manual mainly when something exhibits abnormal behaviour, and that something just happens to be missing from the manual. Probably not a coincidence.
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1. Automation clips
2. Ability to (optionally) undo everything, inc. plugin and mixer knob/fader/buttons, add/remove insert, add/remove plugin, etc...
3. Mixer snapshots
4. Wraparound slide audio items like in Reaper
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LMike wrote: Even though the manual is missing some stuff it's pretty clear to me that some don't even bother to read and learn the stuff that's actually in there. But that's good for the community I suppose, it gives those who like to help the opportunity to help, so... it's all good.
I thought about that too LMike. People just miss items no matter how you facilitate them with colored keyboards, help menus, equipped with linked manuals, a shortcut index, and so forth. How many times have we said "emmm.....it's in the manual" to someone requesting a feature.

I think at least a tiny part of all this is probably just boredom, new new updates to talk about.
I can't exactly agree there, because I must have been bored out of my mind, every time I resorted to the manual, and found information is missing, and even can't produce a hit on a searched word that should somewhere be found in there.

I know you are just bringing that up, because the manual is in fact being brought up now to an elevated level.
Typically, when it is brought up (or cursed at), we all say "yeah" and close the drawer on it.

The manual conversation could be elevated more so now quite possibly because a new version is in the works, and users are just wishing to "get it right" this time around. At least be a little more complete, and with more illustrations.

Manuals are a great resource, even when one knows the program. For instance, I was asking about a good guitar plugin several weeks back, and mistere was very clear and enthusiastic to direct me to S-Gear. He also as I recall complimented the manual, and I see why. Mind you, this is a simple guitar plugin with a few amps, and cabinet sims, and like 3 or 4 effects processors. Yet, the manual is very clear, and provides things like "Tone Tips" and just general goodies that make the experience of that fine plugin more rewarding to have and own. Maybe because the author cared to share "Tone Tips", I cared to listen. Who knows, I know I appreciate good documentation, not to cling to, but simply to fall back on if necessary.

Ah...........just thought of an example , and I hope it resonates just a little to help the cause. Sometimes users ask about an S1 subject or have a question about it. So in hopes to solve their problem or question quickly and explain it in the correct way (and not in Latin tongues), I shoot to the manual, and....Arghhhh, I cant even find what I'm looking for! (That's not boredom by the way)
So here's someone asking who doesn't know, and a responder who does know, but wants to use the correct terminology, and can't even get to the source the right way in hopes that it's even in there. I hope that means something, because yes, the user could wait for the right answer in the forum, but do we always need to wait for the right answer to have it be available?

With a good reference manual, we'd have more time to talk about hobbies, and how we are going to vacation in the Bahamas, from our latest Demo release.

Case in point...............no, someone would still be asking "why doesn't S1 have a shortcut listing?"


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Whenever I do the Ctrl-F wrap-around thingy, even after getting the familiar and predictable "found jack squat" message, somehow I end up running the search once more just in case.
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My feature wish list:
1. Automation clips
2. Ability to (optionally) undo everything, inc. plugin and mixer knob/fader/buttons, add/remove insert, add/remove plugin, etc...
3. Mixer snapshots
4. Wraparound slide audio items like in Reaper
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Scoox wrote: Whenever I do the Ctrl-F wrap-around thingy, even after getting the familiar and predictable "found jack squat" message, somehow I end up running the search once more just in case.


I know what you mean. I think there's a Latin phrase for it. Something like....speaking in Control F's.

Actually, I know a few people that speak in F's, but I'm quite certain it's not Latin.

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In the words of the late great Graucho Marx "I refuse to join any club that would have me as a member"

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Lemme see ... (tough choice?)... should I write 2000 words in multiple posts words explaining how I could do it much better and redundantly explaining why it currently sucks, or should I use that time and energy to write a few short paragraphs that could be merged into the current manual to actually make it better?

The former would make me look smarter to some I suppose, in that ..."...hindsight criticize I could have done it better..." kinda way, but the latter actually helps solve the problem in the short term, brings a partial solution. Tough choice.

Anyway, as someone who's spent an inordinate amount of my own free time creating macros, publishing web sites with tips, listing command actions, coding little add-ons, doing whatever I could to try help the larger community when I could, finding more postive directions for my energy and dislikes, I personally have less than zero sympathy for anyone who regularly complains but doesn't really do anything to help anyone else or try to help solve a problem for him or her self that's actually well within their reach, because they're so busy writing multiple posts complaining about it they don't have any free time to write a couple of short paragraphs to help fix it.

But yes... the manual kinda sucks a little. Tough cookies I guess? Unless one is prepared to personally help to do something about it, it will probably continue to suck a little until the company publishes a better one..

Given that reality, there should be at least 10 more pages in this thread beating that dead horse until it's unrecognizable.
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hindsight is a good thing... especially if it is a cute heiny!

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Just to add to Lmike's point(while adding to this thread and there by increasing it's life) Even if all the info is present in the Manual there still will be many who will refuse to reference it I'm afraid. We still will have to answer threads with "refer to Section such and such on page this or that", the old RTFM and such. It's one of the pitfalls of a program that is easy to get going in which Studio One is.

I have countless times had to do just that in hopes that others would be encouraged to use what's available(except for the RTFM part).

It is late in the game to get this topic going as has been stated but then again it doesn't hurt to ask nor hope that a solution is at hand for those that can benefit from it. We have all seen more extraordinary requests take up space here on the General Discussion forum when they should be posted in the appropriate forum in this case it may as well be a topic for discussion if not for any thing else..
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There is a pdf of the Studio One Key Commands. I have had it for ages. I am not sure where I got it though. I have checked the site and cannot find it anywhere. It has all the versions with the standard version and the Pro Tools other DAW versions as well.

Yes I agree the manual could be better. The Sonar manual is over 1500 pages now and is pretty detailed. That level of detail would be good for sure. But even so many Sonar users swear by the Sonar Power Series books by Scott R Garrigus. The best Sonar manual is probably still a third party product.

But right now, suppliment our own Studio One manual with other things such as the suggestions I have made. I am finding with the 'Larry the O' books for example I am looking stuff up in those before going to the manual now. They are written like a well designed manual. It is usually in there whatever I am looking for. The Groove 3 videos are OK too for checking into. The individual movies are well listed and indexed etc so you very often find the one you need to see containing the area of interest just in the title. The disadvantage with the books and videos is they can get behind. But for those wanting to know more about existing features (up to a certain point that is) they are excellent. There is still a high level of detail in the books and videos and a lot of stuff will be uncovered. It is fun and rewarding to discover.

Maybe they should wait for version 3 for a new manual, include everything to date plus the missing material and version 3 as well. You might find there will be a hefty improvement in the manual around then.


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Guys, I started this in the morning but was not able to post it yet, but it's been intended to add in already. This may fail miserably, but if you care to participate, lets give it a go to improve things. The discussion has been great, and is a start in any endeavor to make things better.

Here's what I have and here is the link.

MANUAL SUGGESTIONS - MISSING IN THE MANUAL? POST IT <HERE>
http://forumsarchive.presonus.com/posts/list/0/46295.page#306142

Often, we may find missed items that we come across in the reference manual, and let's be fair, it's not ALL that bad a reference manual either. What's in there is really quite well described, but it could stand to benefit fom being more complete. It just needs some help, and since we use the program, we can and do come across things that could be noted as missing in the manual.

I hope the "Manual Suggestion" post helps the cause.

As for Reference Manual discussion, keep it going if you wish. It's good to hear various views, and continued ideas could happen (blossom?) along the way. Cool bunch, you are!
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jemusic wrote:There is a pdf of the Studio One Key Commands. I have had it for ages. I am not sure where I got it though. I have checked the site and cannot find it anywhere. It has all the versions with the standard version and the Pro Tools other DAW versions as well.


Since the addition of the Macro bar the Actions list is dynamic so they provided a HTM in your Presonus projects folder that lists all available key bindings and Macro's including those made by the user and downloaded from the Exchange. Every time you change the key bindings it generates a list reflecting those changes(every time you close Studio One)
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Bitwig has this nailed
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OK, so some groundwork was laid. CTStump and I have dropped some information in and if only those Items improve, well, then we did what we could. The post will not always be visible, and it's really a matter if you guys find something on your journey you wish to add, just search the manual in the General Discussion Forum for "manual suggestions" and toss it in. If you see someone's comments about a missing item from the manual, and it is legitimate, perhaps you could suggest if they wish to help their findings be noticed, point them to the link (or just drop it in yourself), that would be awsome. This way we're working together for a common cause. To help make the manual more complete. Thanks.




MANUAL SUGGESTIONS - MISSING IN THE MANUAL? POST IT <HERE>
http://forumsarchive.presonus.com/posts/list/0/46295.page#306142

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In the words of the late great Graucho Marx "I refuse to join any club that would have me as a member"

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...............................I digress.

Happy Mothers Day!

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In the words of the late great Graucho Marx "I refuse to join any club that would have me as a member"

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Lokeyfly wrote:Guys, I started this in the morning but was not able to post it yet, but it's been intended to add in already. This may fail miserably, but if you care to participate, lets give it a go to improve things. The discussion has been great, and is a start in any endeavor to make things better.

Here's what I have and here is the link.

MANUAL SUGGESTIONS - MISSING IN THE MANUAL? POST IT <HERE>
http://forumsarchive.presonus.com/posts/list/0/46295.page#306142

Often, we may find missed items that we come across in the reference manual, and let's be fair, it's not ALL that bad a reference manual either. What's in there is really quite well described, but it could stand to benefit fom being more complete. It just needs some help, and since we use the program, we can and do come across things that could be noted as missing in the manual.

I hope the "Manual Suggestion" post helps the cause.

As for Reference Manual discussion, keep it going if you wish. It's good to hear various views, and continued ideas could happen (blossom?) along the way. Cool bunch, you are!


While I support your initiative, I fear the thread might get messy. Given the current state of the user manual, there's bound to be a tsunami of reports, and because few of us will actually bother to read through all the previous posts, there is a good chance there will be many duplicates. Because of the unidimensional and monolithic nature of forum threads, it will be very difficult to keep track of what's already been reported, and what Presonus have done about it, which means people will continue reporting issues that have already been acknowledged by Presonus. In summary, it would be in everyone's interest (Presonus included) to provide better issue tracking facilities.

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Windows 7 64-bit
Intel Core i7 920 CPU, 12 GB RAM
RME FireFace 400, NI Audio Kontrol 1
Presonus Studio One 2 v2.6.2 64-bit

My feature wish list:
1. Automation clips
2. Ability to (optionally) undo everything, inc. plugin and mixer knob/fader/buttons, add/remove insert, add/remove plugin, etc...
3. Mixer snapshots
4. Wraparound slide audio items like in Reaper
 
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