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FyLe ForMatz
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trock wrote:
way less CPU errors


wow...Pro Tools is STILL getting those ANNOYING-ASS CPU ERRORS?!?! that's BEYOND ridiculous...i haven't owned Pro Tools since 7.4, and i HATED the errors i would get CONSTANTLY - PER SESSION -

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it does for me and i am on an APPROVED MAC PRO with an ELEVEN RACK! which is THEIR hardware

CPU resource errors etc

all kinds of issues

love the look though
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Cubase 7 wont be useable for another 6 months. They have to wait for all the users that paid for it , find all the bugs and work them out. LAME... But, HEY PRESONUS... that chord track is an awesome idea. So add that and clean up the interface with better sharper graphics with skins and nobody will be able to touch SO1v2.5
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Alright, so I'll post as a Cubase user since there has (naturally) been a lot of S1 replies. I love Studio One but there's no doubt in my mind that I can't fully commit to the switch because the features just aren't there yet.

Cubase 7 introduced some really cool features (although some of them useless). The new mixer is actually pretty cool, once you get past the terrible GUI. You have everything at your disposal... Input Gain, Faders, Pans, Inserts, Sends and even EQs. It's just really convenient to mix in such an environment. Obviously, Cubase is more designed to multi-monitor setups but they really expanded upon that by allowing me to "Set Mixer to Monitor X."

Cubase 7 is great for me because it also allows me to set up MIDI faders to control plug-ins that can receive such signals. This allows me to bootleg some real VCA chains and even macros that you might see in Ableton Live. It's not as user-friendly but it's there. As far as I know, there is no such thing in Studio One -- and I can't seem to find how to set up post-fader inserts.

The routing in Cubase 7 has been improved a lot but it's still way behind Studio One and other DAWs in some ways. In other ways, the complexity of it can be a godsend. Sidechaining is slightly less of a hassle than previous versions.

Moving on, I love Studio One but like I mentioned before. There are some things that need to be added before I can permanently make the jump like mixer enhancements. It's my main gripe with it. I can't setup post-fader inserts except for on the master. The faders themselves are rather small and not very intuitive when using a mouse and they're not sizable. I think both DAWs could really use better samplers though. Both drum samplers and regular samplers like that of Kontakt. SampleOne doesn't even have a crossfader... And with my experiments, both drum samplers are very hard to setup in terms of choke groups.

There are some really amazing things in Studio One though such as Melodyne, Track Transform and even the immediate Mono/Stereo button on the Master is a nice touch. Obviously these aren't all of my concerns, gripes or likes but they are the ones that stick out most to me.

In Cubase, there is at least a way to do something, albeit complicated. Studio One has an intuitive workflow but seems to restrict what I want to do sometimes. Both are great, and I will continue to use both but I am most excited for C8 and S1v3.

Edit: To people complaining about bugs; of course there are going to be bugs. There have been bugs in Studio One... There will be bugs in Version 3. There are always bugs. And if you use iLok v1, you would have to upgrade eventually anyways since they are discontinued...

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Eddie Macarthur
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ok. xmas is coming, so i'm treating myself. i went to my local music shop and ordered the cubase 7 upgrade (support your local shop etc.). the salesman is the sound engineer for a very successful techno producer that i used to know a long time back. they both use cubase like me. they haven't upgraded because like me they don't like the new mixer graphics in cubase 7. but, it is the future and we live in it or become fossilised. i placed the order. but also told him to check out presonus studio one. don't think they use melodyne though, so less chance of them trying it out... will report back with my thoughts on cubase 7, but NOT as a "MY DAW I BETTER THAN YOUR DAW" thing, just a collection of opinions from someone who uses everything that works for a purpose...
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Just thought I'd report back from the cubase 7 seminar I attended last night. The new mixer is a big improvement on the old one, I can see a big Studio One footprint on it. I was impressed with its functionality but thought that the channel strip built in fx were unnecessary and could easily be achieved if you already have third party plugs. There was one cool feature in the mixer which S1 doesn't have so I've posted a feature request as I was very impressed with theway he got around the mixer.
Chord Track, yes I was sceptical but seeing it in action I could see the use and benefit. Not sure you could do this with melodyne as a workaround, perhaps if Presonus did copy that feature then melodyne would be crucial to how it works.
The VST CONNECT online function was a step in the daw online at all times future but I can see how easy it would be to do remote recording.
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don't know about that fancy video conferencing thing. most times all you need from a client is a text saying MORE REVERB.
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Daw stew
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It is that simple. Cubase only receives the DI signal. The artist doesn't even have to be running cubase.
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I have been trying / trying to learn Cubase 7 over the last few days (I wasn't a Cubase user before). No denying it has a lot of functionality, but I don't know - for a DAW that mature and a development team that active (major releases every year), it doesn't seem particularly intuitive. I found myself missing a lot of the workflow from S1.

- Cubase lanes < S1 layers (< PT playlists)
- VariAudio < Melodyne (I didn't see a way to increase amplitude of individual notes in VariAudio)
- Cubase freeze < S1 transform
- S1 has easier automation editing workflow I've found (still not quite as good as Logic or PT though)
- S1 has easier track organization (hiding / rearranging)

I think the few things Cubase 7 had that I've noticed so far that are better are:

- Color options
- Pre-fader volume envelope (but nowhere near as easy to use as PT's clip gain)
- Q-Link in the Mixer is very handy
- VST Expression (but in general I don't find Cubase's MIDI editing particularly intuitive or easy to use compared to S1 / Logic / PT).

My 2 cents so far. What am I missing Cubase users?
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merryp
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@ albatrossy the channel inserts are already automatically post fader , there's one less thing for you to worry about
albatrossy
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merryp wrote:@ albatrossy the channel inserts are already automatically post fader , there's one less thing for you to worry about


That must have been why I was having such a hard time find it! Is there a way to switch some to pre though? At least they could let me link it to the threshold of dynamics processors.

(My trial ran out but I'm going be purchasing Studio One after Christmas. Both DAWs are lovely imo.)
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In a fit of masochism I bought the upgrade to Cubase 7.

The new mixer is not as ugly as the screen captures or videos would have you believe. At monitor resolution it looks a little better. Garish. Cartoony. But better than I was expecting. It might even be less tiring in long sessions in low light.

The functionality is ... Interesting. It is very flexible. Things slide open and closed all over the place. It uses the full screen nicely. I agree with earlier comments about the included channel strip. (Redundant if you have 3rd party stuff.) there's a lot more to it than I have been able to explore in the last day or so. Will report back later.

The workflow still seems...complex.

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I just came from Cubase 7.5.

Firstly, a digi 003r is NOT compatible, you can record cleanly, use vsti's, but audio files in the project window distorts (includes imported audio), and when you check the file in the sample editor it is clean as a whistle... I complained and they persist my system isn't tuned right.... eh em... I dont think so..... my rig is perfect in every other daw INCLUDING Wavelab.

It also felt shaky, like it would not respond often, it kept forgetting my input and output config. Quick controls annoyed me, and hypercontrol is a little overrated (better in Ableton). Also the program would not quit, you have to force quit it very often. No scale editor in the piano role, I found tools in the piano role tiresome and device panels sucked balls. Some aspects of the GUI would glitch, it felt bloated and clunky and heavy on the processor. The bit bridge is useless, had to use jbridge.

But... control room... sick, awesomeness. Groove agent is also very very good. Aspects of the inspector was awesome. I liked the new mixer, I thought it was amazing, routing within cubase is great. The ability to adjust cc# per note is wicked, I hope S1 picks that up.

All in all, here I am... with my copy of cubase on ebay.
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Marii888 wrote:I just came from Cubase 7.5.

Firstly, a digi 003r is NOT compatible, you can record cleanly, use vsti's, but audio files in the project window distorts (includes imported audio), and when you check the file in the sample editor it is clean as a whistle... I complained and they persist my system isn't tuned right.... eh em... I dont think so..... my rig is perfect in every other daw INCLUDING Wavelab.

It also felt shaky, like it would not respond often, it kept forgetting my input and output config. Quick controls annoyed me, and hypercontrol is a little overrated (better in Ableton). Also the program would not quit, you have to force quit it very often. No scale editor in the piano role, I found tools in the piano role tiresome and device panels sucked balls. Some aspects of the GUI would glitch, it felt bloated and clunky and heavy on the processor. The bit bridge is useless, had to use jbridge.

But... control room... sick, awesomeness. Groove agent is also very very good. Aspects of the inspector was awesome. I liked the new mixer, I thought it was amazing, routing within cubase is great. The ability to adjust cc# per note is wicked, I hope S1 picks that up.

All in all, here I am... with my copy of cubase on ebay.


I'm actually waiting to see if 7.5.20 will make any difference by addressing some of the issues that I'm currently having, but I'm not holding my breath. I really doubt I'll hold on to the license until version 8 as I kinda lost all hope in Cubase. Had issues with version 7. Most of those issues went away after upgrading to 7.5, but (surprise, surprise) were substituted by new ones. Seems like with Steinberg you can't have it any other way.

Plus, I get a feeling that whenever SO3 comes out i'll instantly forget about Cubase once and for all. Really tempted to see what Presonus will bring to the table with their new release.
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albatrossy wrote:...but they really expanded upon that by allowing me to "Set Mixer to Monitor X."
That's been in Cubase for many years, with the control room mixer, probably since the mid SX days.

... and I can't seem to find how to set up post-fader inserts.
Contrary to what you were told above, S1 only has post fader inserts on it's outputs, the master and sub-outs. Cubase has (or had) four pre-fader inserts (max) and two post fader inserts (max) on every audio channel.

The former (4) proved to be a disadvantage. No clue if that changed in 7. It also has (had? Not sure if it's changed either) only 12 total sends, 8 FX sends and 4 cue sends, an artificial limitation of sorts.
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