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Daw stew
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What about having a loudness history graph, have a timeline based left to right track that shows the volume output as the track is playing. It would have a zero db and would turn red as it exceeds the zero threshold.
Isotope Insight features this.
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Something like that would work for my purposes. It could be an insert type of plugin, so you could plug it into your main output, a bus or a single track.

It should work independently of your transport I.E. you should be able to select what output to measure, click "Go" and get the analysis (graph) immediately.
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Daw stew wrote:
What about having a loudness history graph, have a timeline based left to right track that shows the volume output as the track is playing. It would have a zero db and would turn red as it exceeds the zero threshold.
Isotope Insight features this.


Sure. Would work for me as well. The whole spectrum of levels would be viewable. That would benefit mastering so that low passages would be viewable as well. For the purposes of “Auto Detect Peaks”, its certainly usable. I still like the red flag possibilities in the song view as well. Perhaps click on the flag and opt to do one of two things: 1. Select the Fix list, which brings up what was discussed earlier about peaks and being able to see offending peaks from a list in the browser, or wherever. 2. Select the track history graph. The other way to see the graph would be to not have it called up by a red flag but as tkk mentioned being a plugin to simply open up when desired.

RMS, peak, and K weighted-system would be switchable of course. That way going over the loudness spec is established. Really more geared towards mastering, but useful still in many ways.


Isotope Insight has some pretty nice mastering tools and all around audio processing capability. What’s sick about Insight is it can also write to automation to the master track thereby correcting the peaks as well depending on the established loudness format set up (automation options). I wouldn’t mind Presonus adopting some of those nice graphs and controls to expand on the mastering side of things. In this case, it would also benefit song mode as well. 3D spectrogram anyone? Revolves around as well. Oh, yeah!

Again, the idea of a graph would be beneficial.

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it would also be beneficial to have a "tab through clip flags" keyboard shortcut
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Nice, Nice, Very Nice!

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That is a great idea
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this has to go in v3 it has to
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bump for this to be in 2.6!
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guys, the solution to this feature request has been staring me in the face, i had a brain wave and WAVE being the operative word.

Why not colour the wave form? Imagine this, you're recording, all is well, the audio that is being written is green,its a good level, then it starts getting a bit hotter and so the wave form starts going yellow, whoa its still getting hotter, its gone red, you've clipped. Now the musician plays a bit quieter, the wave form dips back into the yellow and then into the green.
There would be no need for a clip flag as the coloured wave form would show where the hot levels were.
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Daw stew wrote:guys, the solution to this feature request has been staring me in the face, i had a brain wave and WAVE being the operative word.

Why not colour the wave form? Imagine this, you're recording, all is well, the audio that is being written is green,its a good level, then it starts getting a bit hotter and so the wave form starts going yellow, whoa its still getting hotter, its gone red, you've clipped. Now the musician plays a bit quieter, the wave form dips back into the yellow and then into the green.
There would be no need for a clip flag as the coloured wave form would show where the hot levels were.


what about midi before its bounced? and fx causing the clipping?
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NickWeiland wrote:
Daw stew wrote:guys, the solution to this feature request has been staring me in the face, i had a brain wave and WAVE being the operative word.

Why not colour the wave form? Imagine this, you're recording, all is well, the audio that is being written is green,its a good level, then it starts getting a bit hotter and so the wave form starts going yellow, whoa its still getting hotter, its gone red, you've clipped. Now the musician plays a bit quieter, the wave form dips back into the yellow and then into the green.
There would be no need for a clip flag as the coloured wave form would show where the hot levels were.


what about midi before its bounced? and fx causing the clipping?


MIDI, hmm, i guess the flag approach for that. As for FX, employ the flashing red light warning on the Console
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I'm glad I found the feature request forum. Several ideas I've thought of myself are here and am glad my views are shared. This one would be very practical - quite surprised it is not a standard feature in most DAWs. This was definitely one of them and am looking forward to it being implemented.

This may be going too far, but I'll just have it out there - the option to automatically have a "limiter" (likely limited *so to speak* to Studio One's own limiter) applied to smoothly correct clipping peaks - whether the option be in some dedicated window dealing with the logged clip time & value or accessible via right click on the track/event. Without getting in depth, by having the OP's requested feature, there would be a log of the clipped values - perhaps this "automatic" limiter would then be tweaked to compensate just enough for the maximum clipped value. The limiter would simply be added to the tracks insert - no different then if you had manually added the limiter yourself (minus the 'tweaked' settings).

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To add to the 2nd idea - or perhaps to provide a better alternative:

Considering clipping issues happen at the "event" level technically, yet of course limiting is almost always done at track levels & in the mastering stages, it may be less complicated to instead have an option in Studio One's build in limiter for "auto clip detection". The limiter in this case would not really be used as a subjective mastering/mixing tool, but for just enough objective clip (distortion) correction. (A "corrective" tool so to speak)
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I think we got carried away with the fancy ideas and this feature became so complicated that it couldn't be implemented with decent effort.

I just spent hours chasing the clipping peaks from a recording and I would personally be happy with a quick and dirty solution, where the "Export" function - instead of just stating that "clipping has occurred" - would tell me the offending location, or a list of locations, using whatever timecode is used (mins:secs; frames, bars).

That alone would save me a huge work of guessing and searching and playing back the material waiting for the clip indicators to fire.

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http://forumsarchive.presonus.com/posts/list/40866.page#273050 show us where on export.
http://forumsarchive.presonus.com/posts/list/15/40608.page#271714 show us while recording
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