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syku
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I just read on Sweetwater.com that with an upcoming firmware upgrade any Studiolive AI mixers can be cascaded. Is this true? If yes, when will this happen? Here is the link to the news:

http://www.sweetwater.com/insync/upcoming-firmware-update-to-studiolive-ai-mixers-to-add-cascading/
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As I said in th eother thread you posted in, check the PreSonus press releases:

http://www.presonus.com/news/press_releases/StudioLive-AI-Mixers-Add-Cascading

They never give release dates here so please don't keep asking.
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Does anyone have ideas on how linking mixers will effect the total number of Subgroups or Aux outputs? For example, will linking two 24.4.2AIs give you 8 subgroups and 20 aux outputs that any of the 48 inputs could be routed to?

How did this work with the 1st gen mixers?
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In the video they said that you can choose between Nx4 or 4 subgroups. Nx4 means that each group of four on each mixer will be local and not combined.

I don't remember what they said about the auxes...
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The limitation will always be in the number of mix buses per mixer, not the number of outputs. Mix buses have access to all the local inputs, and the resulting mix is then sent to a local output and/or is added to the corresponding bus on a cascaded master mixer.

With the old mixers the slave's aux mixes are added to the master's corresponding aux buses. For the subgroups you have the choice between adding the slave's subgroup mixes to the master's subgroup buses, or keeping the slave's subgroup buses local. The FX buses are always local. The main bus and the solo bus are always added to their counterparts on the master.

Interesting thing is that linking the buses doesn't break the link to the local outputs. So the slave's aux outputs will still carry the mix of the local inputs. Can be useful when you plan your channels carefully.

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I would hope the new mixers do it better...
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From the press release:

For example, a StudioLive 16.4.2AI can be cascaded to a 32.4.2AI and form a single 48-channel console with 6 global aux buses, as well as 8 local aux sends that are available to the channels on the 32.4.2AI.


Sounds like auxes are ACROSS mixers for as many as are shared. The 16.4.2AI only has 6 auxes so the the other 8 on the 32.4.2AI are local only.
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Yeah, so wrt cascading StudioLives nothing really changes, except with the AI mixers you'll be able to mix and mash.
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found the video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JfGgYiEC7vs

Seems that the "master" StudioLive board has the global AUX outputs. I imagine that when you press one of the AUX mix buttons on the master mixes, all of the FAT channel knobs across both mixers will become active, so you can route any of the inputs to the AUX outs on the master board. (Probably pressing the AUX mix button on the "slave" board would just route them to the slave board aux outputs.)
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Almost. The slave's Aux mix knobs will always adjust the Aux mix of the slave's local channels, which are then sent to the slave's Aux outputs AND are mixed in with the master's Aux buses with same number. So a slave's Aux mix is not independent from the slave's part in a global Aux mix!

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I hope that it looks transparent on the Universal Control as well as the Qmix apps.
You know, it should look like one combined logical mixer with all of the channels rather than having to use access two different devices is some awkward way to get your main channels and/or aux monitors together ie attached MacBook, and/or remote ipad/iphone to set up monitor mixes, etc...

Also, if you have a 16.4.2AI and you've run out of channels, it would be great to add 8 more with a Firestudio, etc. flexibility..
This would be convenient and help Presonus compete with X32 S16's sort of modular approach for offerings....

Could be cool...
Makes me think they have a good architecture if they can make all of these changes/additional functionality with the firmware, etc.
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They've already said the AI mixers are incompatible with the current FireStudio/StudioLive line. I don't see anything in the press release to lead me to believe this has changed.
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