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Anyone using Maschine MK2/2.1 with Studio One Professional these days?
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maniac2
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I'd like to upgrade to Studio One Professional by the 30th (25% off) if I feel confident about how it gels with the newer Maschine software and hardware - if anyone can give insight... it'd be greatly appreciated. (neither Ableton Lite nor Studio One Artist really enable me to test out what I need to know before moving forward )

Thanks!

*edit: trimmed down in hopes of some feedback.*

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o.k.
30 views with no feedback led me to trim it back.
Beuller?
Beuller?
Anyone?

*edit - Yikes!
48+ views! Not a single response. "Shhhhh! If we ignore him, maybe he'll go away!" hahhaha! *
Screw it.
You can't get rid of me THAT easily Presonus Community!
Here's the discussion I've been searching for these last two months!:
http://www.native-instruments.com/forum/threads/what-daw-do-u-use-with-maschine-in-2014.223482/
(hopefully they won't ignore me in my time of need )

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haha, I looked but have nothing to offer.
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Studio One and Maschine work great together. I use them both. I'm not sure what you're looking to get out of it but yeah, they work fine. A lot of Maschine users use Studio One.
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Awesome.

- Thanks!
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They work together just fine. There are no issues apart from workflow, which was changed by NI with V2. As of now, you can't use Maschine as an externally sequenced drum machine/sampler. But if you're comfortable with managing a sequencer within a sequencer, the two of them work together seamlessly.
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Beauvais wrote:They work together just fine. There are no issues apart from workflow, which was changed by NI with V2. As of now, you can't use Maschine as an externally sequenced drum machine/sampler. But if you're comfortable with managing a sequencer within a sequencer, the two of them work together seamlessly.

So... beFORE 2.0 you could use Maschine as an externally sequenced drum maschine/sampler in Studio One?

I've sifted through Entirely too many hours of people complaining about how the 1.8 to 2.0 changes botched their workflow.
That's all I can read about on the forums.
Everywhere.
Same problems with every DAW (except Ableton Standard & Suite, which had a work-around... as many others seemed to figure out a work-around in other DAWs).

But then 2.1 came out and (theoretically) fixed all the midi batch issues of the 1.8 to 2.0 debacle.

But in my endless search for answers about DAW integration POST-2.0 (meaning in the new lovely world of 2.1)... I came across a lot of posts about how there's no template for Studio One (.nc2 file, or something like that?) using Maschine as a controller?

I apologize for my ignorance, but I have a worthless Studio One "Artist" (no VST's?) and a worthless Live 9 Lite.
Below is a post/response from the thread I mentioned earlier in this Presonus thread... from Native Instruments folks:

(me)
"Am I being foolish in thinking that this is pretty much useless with Maschine?:
(Ableton Live 9 Lite):
"Key Features
8 Audio and MIDI tracks
8 Scenes
2 Send and Return Tracks
4 Mono audio input channels
4 Mono audio output channels"

(the response)
"Besides number of tracks, the "external instrument" feature is missing within ableton le; which is more important for maschine than number of tracks..
But i've had made a soundtrack of an independent award winning movie with pro tools le - digi 001.. (24 audio channels, 8 aux..) Limitations might boost creativity sometimes."

So - what... Ableton IS able to use Maschine MK2.1 "as an externally sequenced drum machine/sampler"?
And Studio One isn't?
(anymore???)

Sorry, but a huge WTF to anybody that can help me wrap my puny brain around this.

Thanks for tolerating my tomfoolery/shenanigans... but if anyone could explain this as if they're speaking to a learning disabled 2-year-old:
That'd be Great.

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I don't have Maschone so can't comment based on personal knowledge but quiet a lot of users have it and use it with Studio One.

There is a Maschine Extension freely available on the Studio One Exchange site.
I don't know a lot about it but I understand it is there to help with the integration of Maschine with StudioOne.

Might be worth looking into?



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Regarding the template to control S1: Eike (mod here and dev I think) made a template (the one in the exchange referred to above) to MIDI control S1 with the Maschine controller, but this only works with the MK1 version of the controller. As far as I know, there's nothing similar for the MK2 and the Studio controllers. NI themselves never did this as they did for Ableton for example.

Regarding the external sequencing: This was possible in some (not all) hosts (including S1) up until 1.8.x but not anymore with 2.x (2.1 didn't fix this). There is a work around in Ableton Live but not with S1.

So at the moment in S1 you need to use the Maschine sequencer. This works just fine as you can trigger Maschine's scenes with MIDI notes in S1. It is however a different workflow some people were and still are not happy about (including me). This is due to NI changing how MIDI is handled in Maschine and affects all hosts (except Ableton Live where you can work around it).
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Beauvais wrote:They work together just fine. There are no issues apart from workflow, which was changed by NI with V2. As of now, you can't use Maschine as an externally sequenced drum machine/sampler. But if you're comfortable with managing a sequencer within a sequencer, the two of them work together seamlessly.


^Basically this.

Two separate sequencers that work together fine.

The trick comes when you are in the production phase. You need to kind of think out your workflow before you get started. You can either:

1) trigger the Maschine scenes w/ a midi note in the S1 sequencer.. and allow that to determine what scene you are on at any given point in the S1 timeline. The only issue with this is it does not allow you to use another external USB controller to trigger Maschine Sounds. They block it off. You may still be able to attach another controller directly to Maschine's midi In, i'm not sure if that works (I hope if does).

2) You can do this with a program change in S1 also. This DOES allow you to use another controller inside Maschine. I did this way for a while.. but sequencing the song got a little choppy and annoying to me.. b/c I wanted to assign a physical control to change the program, but S1 simply wouldn't properly record the program change in the automation lane. So I gave up on this method.

3) You can do none of the above... but basically just make sure all of the scenes in Maschine are highlighted, and the end points of Maschine and S1 match up... and Maschine will playback flawlessly with the S1 timeline. It's just not very intuitive to produce music both on Maschine and in S1... b/c you constantly have to click on a scene to create, which throws the focus onto that certain scene but the S1 timeline continues. It just becomes a lot of work.

So yeah... I like triggering Maschine scenes with a midi note in S1 now. Works great for me. I build my drum & rhythm parts in Maschine... and get a nice overview of the production in S1.. where I build the rest of the song (like strings, guitar, bass, etc).
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Beauvais wrote:Regarding the template to control S1: Eike (mod here and dev I think) made a template (the one in the exchange referred to above) to MIDI control S1 with the Maschine controller, but this only works with the MK1 version of the controller. As far as I know, there's nothing similar for the MK2 and the Studio controllers. NI themselves never did this as they did for Ableton for example.

Regarding the external sequencing: This was possible in some (not all) hosts (including S1) up until 1.8.x but not anymore with 2.x (2.1 didn't fix this). There is a work around in Ableton Live but not with S1.

So at the moment in S1 you need to use the Maschine sequencer. This works just fine as you can trigger Maschine's scenes with MIDI notes in S1. It is however a different workflow some people were and still are not happy about (including me). This is due to NI changing how MIDI is handled in Maschine and affects all hosts (except Ableton Live where you can work around it).

Yeah, that was the impression I got from all the posts I've been reading for months.
(many were actually posts that YOU had made in this Presonus Forum - I recognize yer avatar after seeing it many times in my quest for confirmation on this topic )

Well, that's a drag.

I was all excited to bring Studio One into the fold... what with my new 22VSL Audiobox & pair o' Eris e5's

Whatever.
It is what it is, and as much as I'd like to NOT give Ableton any of my money - it just seems to be the best fit for me at this point.
(well... whenever they have their next sale )

No offense Presonus, but until N.i. gets this all sorted out (or not? Maybe Maschine 3.0, or 3.1... ) I'm gonna hold off.

DEFINITELY want Studio One down the road.
Maybe as my 2nd DAW, for mixing/mastering.
Wish it could be my one and only, but alas - apparently the $$$ tree must be shaken twice in the land of DAW
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So what's your upcoming decision? Whether or not to upgrade to S1 pro? I'd definitively do that, regardless of the Maschine integration. It's all a question of workflow, maybe you'd be happy the way things are now? It's not that it doesn't work, just a different way of thinking.

Same thing with Ableton Live; great software, but a different approach to music production. All these fantastic options we have available are perfectly capable of making music, just different workflows and when it comes to workflow, you'll have to find the one best suiting your personal preferences. If you're into looping clips, go for Ableton. If you're more into linear sequencing, S1 is a great option worth its money. With or without Maschine.
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You know, I can't get a straight answer out of anybody - since everybody is usually a fanboy of one over another (despite various hoops that need to be jumped through, and whatnot)... and USUALLY they have nothing to compare it to.
Or they have 17 different DAWS - and say "well, this one's good for this and that one's good for this other thing".
Unfortunately, I am fed up wasting my time trying to find a simple blanket solution for Maschine integration.

I dropped $799 on my MK2/Komplete 9 Crossgrade all ga-ga with Stimpy eyes glistening screaming "Joy!" thinking that I'd be able to use Maschine simply & easily with -ANY- DAW... that it was going to make everything silky-smooth with my Massive/Kontakt/Battery/Guitar Rig, blah blah blah easy-peasy-extra-cheesy.

I knew I'd have millions of pages of manuals to read with all my N.i. software & MK2, as well as the learning curve with whichever DAW I "chose"... thinking I could have my fun trying out Maschine with my Ableton Live Lite & Studio One Artist to see which one I liked better.
Or Sonar X3 Studio (but the demo SUCKS - not a good representation of their software from what I hear).

It will work with any DAW.

How SMOOTHLY it integrates with a DAW, and how much silly dinking around in the land of confusion required has ultimately brought me to my resounding conclusion:
(which I knew before futzing around with wasted hours in forums that I will never get back. I could've been making TRACKS by now. I'm done wasting time)

Ableton gives you options for linear AND clip-session-whatever pattern-based Matrix-shattering this and that - and jives REALLY WELL with Maschine (& MK1, MK2, 1.8, 2.0, 2.1... you see a pattern here, right?)

Studio One is Superior for Mixing, Mastering... & simple interface.

Sonar X3 is slam-packed on the cheap. (Matrix is kinda/probably lame-ish, but who knows?)

and Reaper. Well, Reaper's $69.

Whatever's clever for U is great.

Right now - when I can actually afford it - this is not so great.
Because I can't afford it AND Ableton.

Which is where U will see me making some music for now

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