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JoseDrums
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Anyone know why this is? Inside the project the song sounds crisp and full but when I take it outside the song gets completely messed up? It seems like it bypasses the inserts or messes with them in some sort of way? I don't know.... It seems pretty logical that the sound I would get from playing it through windows media player should sound same or atleast very very similar to that of the sound of the project page?

Has anyone ever resolved this problem?
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I seem to have a similar problem. In S1, my songs seem to be EQ'd okay. But when I export them to listen in Windows media player, it usually seems like there's too much midrange, somewhat like listening to an old AM radio. The effects,like reverb, compression...etc, do get rendered. But the equalization seems to go to hell when I export.

I can compensate with the eq on tablet & mp3 player, but I want the sound to be better without having to do this. I wouldn't say that everything gets screwed up...but I seem to lose something when I export. Let's hope somebody here has has suggestions. (VERY likely somebody will have some ideas & pointers...these are really good forums)
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maybe it's something related to windows media player. does it have a built-in eq? I am on mac and I haven't noticed what you describe.

Have you tried importing the exported mixdown back in S1 and playing it from there? Are we talking about mp3 or wav?
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Are you guys doing a real time mixdown or a fast bounce?

Some highend plugins do not work as well with a fast bounce as they need to run at real time due to latency issues a high quality EQ falls in that category on most cases. when you do a digital file mixdown you may have better luck in a real time bounce.

if I use a plugin that requires look ahead or is heavy on resources I always bounce realtime to a .wav file and in mastering I never fast bounce and always get a consistent mix.

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Try listening in something like Audacity or whatever and not Windows Media Player or even maybe try Quicktime and see what it sounds like.. That will confirm whether it is Media Player or what!!

We are assuming you are listening on the same speakers and through the same audio device etc!!

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Ah, the portability of a mix. There may be a few things at play here. First, Win Media player does have an eq setting, you want to make sure that is off.

Second, and this is a guess, is the monitoring chain you are using. Depending on how you mix, you may be getting a false sense of what the mix is. Your room may be carrying more low end, causing you to under mix the lows. Lows take a lot of energy to reproduce, and are especially hard on small speakers. When you remove them from a mix, most things above that will jump out because the speaker/headphones/etc can more effectively reproduce them Multiple playback systems are important for this reason, but even more important is to compensate for your environment. Room treatments to control problem frequencies, and knowing your system will go a long way towards eliminating this.
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JoseDrums
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I can see what you're saying, however I am listening to the mixdown through the same speakers that I was using during the project page. I basically finish editing, mixdown, and playback.
I am also doing everything with real time processing but it doesn't seem to help much.

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Did you try to bring the mixed down song back into S1 and see if there is a difference? There are eq settings in media player, as well as windows itself that may be interfering with the mix. S1 when open will bypass any external influences in the operating system and go to direct output. Until we can rule that out, we can't really determine what is going on.
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No, we can't. But I've run into this phenomena as well. One thing is that if the media player is turned down at all, you'll get that "perceived" difference.
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Is this problem occurring from the PROJECT PAGE (Mastering), or from the mixdown of a song.

I use Aritst so I don't have the Project option but I am sure I just saw a thread recently about the Project Page not always rendering the effects. I will have to take a look for that thread.
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Project page. There are some threads referencing the same situation on a song mixdown.
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Okay so here are all the steps I have taken and my conclusion:
At first I realized my mixdowns sounded different once they left studio one PROJECT page
So I opened up the actual song file and just took the inserts from the Project page and put them in the master bus and exported. I got the same exact result. The mixdown sounded different once it left studio one.

I then took the mixdown that was exported from the Project page and put it directly into a new project page and found that it sounded perfect.
Same thing goes when putting the mixdown into a fresh song page....

Everytime I tested the mixdown I used Itunes, WMP, and VLC Player, all of them replicated the same result. It only sounded different inside S1....


EDIT: Here is something new I tried...

I tried to use Ableton to master. I rendered the mixdown from my song page. So it had no mastering inserts or anything yet.
Put it into Ableton and put the same exact FX chain on the Master channel of Ableton.
THen I Exported.....

The sound also sounded GREAT in Ableton as it did in S1, however, once out side Ableton it sounded different. LIke it did with S1.

Conclusion: There is something wrong with my computer? Or I need to change the export settings?

*Also, when exporting I always use realtime idk if that matters but still...

Anyone help plz?

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So its kind of what we thought. Now what we dont know is the hardware you are using, and its best to put that information in your profile sig so we can get right down to business. At a minimum now, we need you to describe your gear, and what is used when. Is S1 coming straight out into windows audio into pc speakers? Do you use an interface as the default soundcard and have studio monitors? Does the win media playback use that same chain?

Get us some details and we can get you straightened out. Its probably not the export settings, it probably has more to do with the settings on the media players you are using. Have you tried to burn it to a cd and take it to another system?

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1: Studio One (or any other DAW for that matter) talks directly to the audio interface using the ASIO drivers.

2: Your programs such as Windows Media, iTunes, etc... all go through the Windows Audio system before reaching the sound card.

Since all of your "listening" programs sound the same - then look into the Windows Audio System for the answer. It could be routing, an eq in the chain, loop backs (causing phase issues), etc... etc...

Assuming Windows 7 or Windows 8

Control Panel > Hardware and Sound > Sound
Or right click on the speaker near the clock and choose "Playback Devices"

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JoseDrums
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There I added my gear as my signature. Never figured out why my mix sounds so different...
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