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Karyn
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Hi guys,

My Windowz laptop is getting a little long in the tooth and I need to replace it. The advantage it has is built in Firewire which works beautifully with my SL24.4.2 but the poor thing just can't seem to cope running Capture. It'll record for a few seconds, then just stop. Like I've pressed the stop button.

Doesn't freeze or lockup or anything, just stops.

What do you guys recommend as a replacement?

I'm happy to switch to a Mac laptop if it make everything work nicer, I already use an iPad to remote control the SL.
I just need some advice please.

Thanks.

Karyn.
matthewgorman
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Are you sure its the pc and not the firewire? It wouldn't be out of the question that an onboard firewire card is not compatable. Its also happened where a firewire card has worked for a while and then crapped out. Ricoh chips have been know to do that.

There is a thread in presales with some tools for checking firewire compatibility among other things. If your laptop has an expresscard slot, you could disable the onboard chip and use a card to connect and breathe some new life into your pc.

Capture runs pretty light, and there are many people on the board that run lesser system with success. Your issue seems firewire related, and could come down to the firewire chip, cabling, or something else in that chain. I would look at the easier cheaper stuff before upgrading.
Matt

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Shure Mics (57's, 58's, and a 1953 Unidyne), Various AKG, Various MXL Ribbon Mics.

1974 P-Bass, 1990 Jazz, 1985 Guild B302, Ampeg SVT with 4x10x15 cabinet

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Karyn
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Thanks for the reply Matt

The SL24 connects to the Laptop with Firewire, which runs Capture and VSL.
The Laptop connects via Ethernet to my wireless access point which in turn connects the iPad and iPhones. Exactly like it says in the book.

Everything works, except that capture stops. It's not glitching, popping, banging, freezing or any other type of ing. it just stops.

The iPad continues to work, the iPhones continue to work. If I press record again in capture it starts recording again, for a few seconds then stops.
The record light goes out, everything stops, just as if you'd hit the stop button.

IT USED TO WORK. So I know there's nothing wrong with the firewire hardware. But now it doesn't.

I have an important gig coming up and it'll be easier for me to just get a new laptop.

Do I try to find a Windowz one with firewire or a pug in firewire. They're getting very hard to find now...
or do I get a mac laptop and thunderbolt to firewire thing?

I'm to old to start messing around fighting to get things to work when they should but don't.


Karyn
matthewgorman
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What you are saying doen't change what I think it may be, but who am I to stop someone from buying a new toy. A mac may be easier to get going if you arent into a hardware hassle, but things at apple hve changed a bit. Macs dont seem to be a trouble free as they used to. That being said, the reports are that the thunderbolt to firewire adapters are working well out in the field. There are some PC's that have thunderbolt now, so the options on both sides are opening up a bit.

Make sure to look through or search forum posts about the new apple os versions. On the pc side, look for either thunderbolt, or a laptop with an expresscard. Business class machines from Lenovo are some of the models that still have expresscard.
Matt

Lenovo Thinkpad E520, Windows 7 64bt, 8 GB RAM, Intel i5 Processor
StarTech EC13942 34mm Expresscard
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16839158010&Tpk=startech%20EC13942
S1Pro V2 (Special Dog Balls Edition), Melodyne Editor, Nomad Factory Studio Bundle, Waves Renaissance Bundle, Firestudio Tube, Faderport, Monitor Station, HP4 Headphone Amp Yamaha HS50 Monitors.
Shure Mics (57's, 58's, and a 1953 Unidyne), Various AKG, Various MXL Ribbon Mics.

1974 P-Bass, 1990 Jazz, 1985 Guild B302, Ampeg SVT with 4x10x15 cabinet

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rpark
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Even though I have long been a Macbook guy with the StudioLive, I'd suggest you stay with a Windows machine. The days of the Mac being the only computer for music are long gone. I personally prefer the interface, but often have to think my way through "I do it this way on Windows boxes at work, what is the combo of keystrokes for that on the Mac?" The point being, if you are familiar with Windows machines and like them otherwise, there is no compelling reason to switch from what you know. A good Windows machine will do anything you need with the StudioLive and Capture/Studio One.

I know Monolithent uses Windows machines with his SL gear, and has tons of experience playing shows all over his area, so I think he can make a good recommendation for you when he drops in.
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Karyn
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Thanks guys, I know you're trying to help me.

What gets me is the VSL seems to have no problems. I can mix remotely all night long with the iPad with no problems. it's all connected through the same FireWire.

I'm worried about win8, which a new laptop would have. I hate it.... Sorry!

I'll put up with it if I have too if that's what people recommend but I'm just as happy trying a mac.
sjc193
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There is a big difference between capture and VSL when it come to the firewire streams. VSL does not need a constant steam of audio to work, capture does. VSL is sending and recieving a different set of data, most likely in XML format, the size of which is not even in the same ballpark as the number of bytes in an audio stream.

There is one particular function in VSL that DOES use the audio stream though, and that is SMAART. Just for test, try turning the spectrograph on for the Main GEQ, see if it will run without any issues/dropouts? I suspect not, and if not we just need to get the full audio streaming again without dropouts and the capture and the spectrograph will be fixed again.

I have windows 8 and it works with my 16.4.2

Steve
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rackmount Windows 8 PC Quad core 8G ram
ASUS RT-N66U Dual Band Router
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Studio One 2.5 Pro
2 Turbosound TMS-1's (Mains)
2 OHM MR450D Subs with Kilomax 18inch drivers
2 Yamaha S115V's (for floor monitors),2 Yamaha BR 15's (for floor monitors)
3 Behringer 12" floor monitors
3 Behringer EP2500 amps, 1 QSC Amp
1 DBX Driverack 260
1 DBX 231S Graphic Eq
10 58/57 mics, 1 beta52 kick mic, 20 mic stands
2 e609 guitar amp mics
2 Radial J48 Active DI's
2 Blizzard Puck FAB 5 led lights
1 DMXIS usb to dmx controller
1 Temor 1 Alto 1 Soprano 1 Clarinet
1 Sheraton semi hollowbody electric
1 pedalboard with lots of pedals favorites are javaboost into tube screamer
1 Fender Deluxe Amp
2 Acoustic guitars, 1 elec bass, 1 acoustic bass, 1 bazooki
3 mixers and lots of other stuff I don't use in the closet
1 beer holder that clamps to the side of my mic stand with my stage name printed on it "Swingin' Steve"
matthewgorman
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I'll put up with it if I have too if that's what people recommend but I'm just as happy trying a mac.


A little bit about the gang here, if you haven't already figured it out. Probably about half of the posters here, especially the folks on the SL forums, LOVE to tinker. It is almost a sign of defeat for many that a user is going to throw in the towel and purchase a new computer, cause dammit...it can be fixed!!!

But in all seriousness, those same people do love new gadgets too. You want to try out a mac? Then don't let this ragged bunch of duct tapers get in your way. Go get you a mac. Just make sure to do your research before you buy. Post Jobs Apple is not the same company, and the "Buy a Mac, they just work" statements are no longer valid. If recent memory serves, firewire should be ok, and as I said the adapter for thunderbolt performs as it should. The newer Macs and operating systems are causing trouble with more usb interfaces as it would seem.

Go get your MAC, and come back and tell us how much you like it.
Matt

Lenovo Thinkpad E520, Windows 7 64bt, 8 GB RAM, Intel i5 Processor
StarTech EC13942 34mm Expresscard
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16839158010&Tpk=startech%20EC13942
S1Pro V2 (Special Dog Balls Edition), Melodyne Editor, Nomad Factory Studio Bundle, Waves Renaissance Bundle, Firestudio Tube, Faderport, Monitor Station, HP4 Headphone Amp Yamaha HS50 Monitors.
Shure Mics (57's, 58's, and a 1953 Unidyne), Various AKG, Various MXL Ribbon Mics.

1974 P-Bass, 1990 Jazz, 1985 Guild B302, Ampeg SVT with 4x10x15 cabinet

http://soundcloud.com/stars_apart
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If you just want to try one, you can pick up a used Macbook Pro that will let you play for a lot less than a new one. The one I usually use (I'm typing on it now) is a mid-2009 3.06 Core 2 Duo. I carries all the Presonus software without a hitch. I should add it has 8 GB ram, which does matter here.

I have another iMac for music, so I do love the Macs. I use Windows machines at work, so I have become digitally bi-lingual out of necessity. The Mac is more firewire friendly, generally speaking, and does "just work" as Matthew noted... common of this era MacBooks.

Both formats will work, neither is perfect or trouble free, so pick your poison!
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Karyn
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Ok tinkerers, I'll give it one more go at fixing it.... ...tomorrow

The spectragraf worked fine last gig.



Karyn
tajmihelich007
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I had a similar problem but I was using S1. It would record for a bit and then stop. No strange noises or anything weird. I ended up looking through a ton of pc optimization post. I optimized with a Power Plan setting. A little search on here will turn up with it. The main reason mine would stop was (oddly enough) my WiFi. Now every time I use that particular laptop, I disable the WiFi Adapter. You are using ethernet anyway, and WiFi doesn't matter. See what happens.
Karyn
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I spent most of the day on it.

I updated UC to the latest version, SL firmware is now 195. I upgraded to capture 2. Spectragraf runs quite happily.
The longest I can get capture to keep recording is about 30 seconds. This is so frustrating!

So I come here to ask for ideas and see the post about wifi...

Yeah, I know I said I was using a network cable to connect to the router... And I was... But someone must have snuck into my storage and turned on the wifi on the laptop...

There's a small switch on the front so it can be totally turned off... As soon as I turned if off everything works!! I made a 1.5 hour recording of garden birds and cars going past without it stopping

So thank you every one for all the encouragement and especially tajmihelich for mentioning wifi.

I guess I'll have to look for another excuse to get a new laptop now
tajmihelich007
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Glad to hear that worked out for you. Better than spending 3k for a MB Pro.
Karyn
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tajmihelich007 wrote:Glad to hear that worked out for you. Better than spending 3k for a MB Pro.

It just means I have to find a new excuse... I thought I'd come up with a good one.

Curse you and your helpfulness
sjc193
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That's awesome! Good for you!

I knew it was something stupid, it always is, I'll try to remember this fix for the next guy that has the same problem

Good Job Dudes!
StudioLive 16.4.2 in 10U + slant top OSP case
rackmount Windows 8 PC Quad core 8G ram
ASUS RT-N66U Dual Band Router
Ipad2 Wifi Griffin Survivor Case
Studio One 2.5 Pro
2 Turbosound TMS-1's (Mains)
2 OHM MR450D Subs with Kilomax 18inch drivers
2 Yamaha S115V's (for floor monitors),2 Yamaha BR 15's (for floor monitors)
3 Behringer 12" floor monitors
3 Behringer EP2500 amps, 1 QSC Amp
1 DBX Driverack 260
1 DBX 231S Graphic Eq
10 58/57 mics, 1 beta52 kick mic, 20 mic stands
2 e609 guitar amp mics
2 Radial J48 Active DI's
2 Blizzard Puck FAB 5 led lights
1 DMXIS usb to dmx controller
1 Temor 1 Alto 1 Soprano 1 Clarinet
1 Sheraton semi hollowbody electric
1 pedalboard with lots of pedals favorites are javaboost into tube screamer
1 Fender Deluxe Amp
2 Acoustic guitars, 1 elec bass, 1 acoustic bass, 1 bazooki
3 mixers and lots of other stuff I don't use in the closet
1 beer holder that clamps to the side of my mic stand with my stage name printed on it "Swingin' Steve"
 
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