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Eris E5 - Is not translating well to any other speaker system
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wwFUN
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I've done several basic mixes, using the E5, and the levels are not translating when I play the mixes on other systems.
Especially the drum levels - theyre always wildly off.

Any ideas?
Is this a known issue?
matthewgorman
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There are so many variables at play that have nothing to do with speakers, so its hard to say. Not saying this is the case, but maybe you need to adjust to the speakers (sorry if that sounds condescending, thats not the intent). Your previous speakers maybe did not give you the detail that these do. Because of that, you were mixing and compensating for those speakers. Now you are getting more detail in the mix, and because of that it sounds like instruments are jumping out, so you mix them lower. Just a thought.

In the past I had to do a lot of mixing on headphones. I know it wasn't ideal, but I did get used to it. I wasn't hearing everything I needed to hear, but I knew how much of an adjustment to make when I played it on other systems. So much so, that I am finding it very hard to go back to mixing on nearfields. I get frustrated, and wind up putting the earbuds/headphones back on to finish the mixes. As I said, I may not hear everything, but I can pinpoint bad a lot faster.

Maybe you just need some more time with them. Can you set them up alongside of the previous speakers, and a/b some old mixes? That may help.

Otherwise, give some more detail about what "wildly off" means, and maybe we can pinpoint it a little better.
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Did you jump right into mixing or did you spend some time learning the monitors first?

If you haven't, take the time to listen to what your monitors are doing with mixes you already know well. If you have an analyzer available, hook that up and see what sort of FR you are dealing with.

Inform yourself as to what your tools are providing for you, then make decisions based on what you have available. I wouldn't walk up to a pair of monitors I've never seriously worked with and expect all my go-to mix eq tricks or techniques work automatically. They are just a place to start.

give it some time, you will get there!

And as a side note, you are working with E5's, so if you are not getting the accurate low end you are looking for, I don't think anyone will be surprised that a 5" woofer isn't keeping up down low. Do yourself a favor and hook up a sub!
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wwFUN
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Yep, i should probably hook up a sub.

The drums are consistently louder and more boomy when played on another system, than they appeared to be through the Eris.
If I have that in my mind and compensate slightly too much, then the drums disappear on the other systems. (Except for the overheads)

Im working on learning how to carve out everything I don't need on every other instrument - to see if it's just a phase thing or a massing up of a frequency.
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chrisatrational wrote:Did you jump right into mixing or did you spend some time learning the monitors first?

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Im working on learning how to carve out everything I don't need on every other instrument - to see if it's just a phase thing or a massing up of a frequency.


That right there, and you will see a major improvement (plus the gain staging in your other thread). I will tell you that your head is in the right place with those 2 threads.

Learn how to use the side chain feature for pro eq. It has its limitations, but is a great tool to have. The theory I use with it is to work on 2 instruments at a time (one of the limitations). Pick one instrument that you want to adjust, ex guitar, and another that you want to compare it with to notch out competing freq, ex bass. When I have multiple guitar tracks, I will put them to a bus and put pro eq on the bus. Go to the bass track (same thing, bus for multiple bass tracks), open the track fader. send a sidechain of the bass track to the pro eq on the guitar bus. You now have 2 eq curves, one for each instrument. Now you can see what frequencies are in the sweet spot for the bass, and pull them out of the guitar. Do the same procedure for any instrument that can possbly encroach on another track. The hardest part for you is to decide which instrument needs to own which frequency.

And the subwoofer wouldnt hurt either. There is always stuff going on below 60hz, and not much of it musical. Until you know what is needed, hearing what is going on down there is needed.

Good luck.
Matt

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