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tombo
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Hello

I have the following disturbing problem. Today I wanted to finish a couple songs I mixed about 6 months ago. To my great shock the mixes of them changed! Most notable the vocals have less volume now. I have double checked with other songs from that time frame and - unfortunately - they have the same issue. I still have the exported mixes from back then. I can verify without doubt that - despite leaving those files untouched for the last 6 months - the mix has completely changed!



The only thing that I can see as possible explanation, I have updated to newer versions since then. Could that be the reason?!

I probably did the mixes with 2.06 or 2.5, now i'm at Version 2.6.1.

The two main Questions I need help with:

- What has caused the mixes to change?
- Is there any reasonable way to get back to the old mixes?
(I have invested many hours into mixing these songs , i hate to it again, especially without understanding the problem to prevent it in the future)

Thanks
Tom

BTW: If these is a known issue, can you please direct me to the appropriate thread? I don't read here frequently. I searched for infos in the forum before making this post but was not successful......

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Not sure but sometimes plugins change with releases. A change to a compressor plugin could change a whole mix.

I do know they added a mix knob to compressors in one release. That might be it.
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I agree probably a plugin or something else has changed between releases. I've been burned by this with another daw before so now I always export stems as well as mixdown. At least with the stems I can get to the same sound as before.

To try to get your mixes back I would reinstall the old S1 version (you can have several versions on your computer at the same time) and try loading with that. I know the old versions are archived somewhere.It doesn't cost another activation.

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I'll have to check later tonight but I do recall there being some change users were complaining about and I think it was around the release of 2.5. I think it was also substantiated or noted by Presonus as well. Do a search on "mix changed" or something because there was something. Perhaps only a dB or two but that's enough to have a slight difference. The change may have been thru buss or audio levels, I honestly can't recall right now. Not something that would render a mix useless though. I'm not at my computer so searching is a pain when texting. .
Also check that you have EXACTLY the same conditions going on. If you swapped anything out be it hardware or software, then you've altered the situation. That's why it's a common practice when you have a mix even largely with midi intact, to mix it down right away when in that final mix stage. I skip this a few times myself thinking I always have to add something else, so I am shaking a finger at me only.

Yes you're right. If you just knew what the change was, it may help you compensate what you now have that much easier. I'll look later to assist.

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Update: I looked but came up with very little. No such changes in audio levels I could find, as being official at this time.

Here's some commentary on levels changed though. (The Version 2.5 bugs thread)
czarthp81wrote: I've noticed when I take a bus channel with a physical input (input 7-8 for example), and send it to an audio track with the same bus input and physical output, the levels are louder on the bus channel then the audio track. These should be the same volume. Looks to be maybe 6db hotter on the bus channel.
http://forumsarchive.presonus.com/posts/list/75/31558.page#213766


lefool wrote: Hi, Just installed, quickly uninstalled
All my previous songs (2.0.7) sounds different.
I need to remaster all the songs.
I can ear differences when i use some StudioOne VSTi (Impact, SampleOne) or effects (Compressor, Ampire, AutoFilter, TriComp, EQ).
I think the presets are not restored like it was saved in 2.0.7 or the VSTi/Effect sound different with the same parameters.
http://forumsarchive.presonus.com/posts/list/30/31558.page


Please note. This does not prove diddly! These are only similar instances around the time of the 2.5 release. Typically after a release, people will blame ringing in their ears on that release. You need to have technical support tell you if there was any official findings. Perhaps someone in the forum could inform you of more, but that would also come down to you responding so they know to make that effort. Anyway, good luck. Be optimistic. The mixes could be just that much better this time around.

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Thanks guys, I do appreciate your help a lot!!

I will contact support and keep you posted. There is definitely a very audible difference, that renders the mixes useless. I can correct the volumes using the older mixes i have as mp3, but it still sucks….

Nothing has changed with regards to system setup etc. it needs to be in the program itself. I used some compressor plugin and buses nothing wild, but apparently something changed, likely with the update. Certainly the last time I updated while on a project

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mwright137 hit the nail on the head, the addition of the "Mix" knob on the compressor had me redoing some ealier mixes myself but go ahead with your support ticket though I doubt they will be able to help as has been said, you definitely aren't the only one who has had this issue when updating and it's possible it may be something else.

By the way it's great that they did add the "Mix" knob, Parallel processing is
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If you look here you can see all the changes that came with 2.5. It was pretty extensive:

http://www.presonus.com/news/press_releases/Studio-One-25-Release-Notes

I'm pretty sure this was the release where they specifically cautioned people that upgrading could be detrimental to mixes in progress. There's a note on Multiband Compressor that even says they changed how summing is done in that plugin.

But I'd definitely reinstall the old version and export your stems and then import them into the new version. Or just keep both versions active on your computer. This is perfectly acceptable and many folks on here do that.
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I take the blame. upgrading to 2.5 while mixing was probably not a stroke of genius.

I still dont get how the mix button on the plugins would cause an effect since it is at 100%

Does reinstalling the older version have no risks? I have some new stuff I did since upgrading to 2.5 and frankly, I dont want to risk to lose that.
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don't know about you, but i never get rid of my earlier versions of S1 when i upgrade. Just in case this kind of thing happens. All my old versions are accessible in my App folder.
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sounds like a pretty smart thing to do!
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tombo wrote:sounds like a pretty smart thing to do!


well, to be honest, it really isn't by choice. I just don't delete them after installing the new version. I mean, i don't have version 1 here anymore, but anything after 2.0 is just there.
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