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So, i'm looking for some feedback from some people using any similar products and their experiences with them. In short, i have a Padkontrol and would really like to incorporate a kick drum trigger with it. I'm a drummer so i don't really program drums well when i have to use my finger to program the kick. i'd really like to have that on the floor so it'd feel just a tad more real while i'm pounding out beats on this little pad. I know i would be best off picking up a V-drum kit but at the moment i just don't have the space for that . The roland kt-10 looks pretty awesome but that's also like $200. I'll spend the money if i have to but just wanted to see if any of you have found a cheaper reliable solution.

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quick fix and no cost... record your real kik drum in an audio track... play it as you would like it and try to be simple and accurate... then convert it to MIDI triggers...

Ya know what I do instead of "programming" a drum groove in... I play a few bars of kik and snare to the actual groove then I can loop that and or retrigger other sounds of the audio track. I'll do a few variations of the groove so I can cut and paste it into the song arrangement... I like real hihat too and same thing record a few solid phrases and loop n cut n paste... then once I have the basic groove kik snr hat... I'll play tom fills and cymbals over that... same thing loop and cut n paste ... sounds and feels like a real drummer... I have to auto correct if i want the drum machine feel... Most the time I am looking for the ral human feel and dynamics but then also like to have solid dance machine type groove

the samples and drum machines in studio one also let you trigger phrases... like a 4 bar kik/snr/hat groove and also samples of your real drums.
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Hi overcoat,

Ive been using a FATPedal, for umpteen years now. I looked on Ebay for you but one was auctioning for $135 or best offer. You could try offrering $60,if you like it, and see what flies. It's actually a nice kick for that price. Solid, wont slide, and does the job.

Yamaha makes a KU-100, though I've never tried it for $69. Yamaha is known for reasonably good stuff and fair pricing obviously, so you may want to check that out..

Try if Alesis has something to offer.

The Roland is a bit pricey, I agree. Hoping you can get something descent in the $60 range.

Yes, there's work arounds, but I know the feeling of having the kick on time and at that moment. Sort of like our commentary for midi guitar from past threads, but we're in the drum arena now.

I'll keep an eye out 4 Ya.

Just for what it's worth, a picture of a FATPedal kick pedal.


The only way I would not recommend a FatPedal is if you are a VERY dedicated drummer and demand just the right feel, so you would go with something that emulates the exact pressure, cam adjustment, and feel you need. Of course then, you are looking to pay for something that produces that exact dynamic. I suspect like me, you simply need a descent kick trigger.

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I probably should have mentioned that as I am a drummer, i don't in fact have a real kit at the moment , or else i would just record that.

I like the look of the FATpedal. looks like what i'm looking for. Alesis makes a DMPad but that ships without the pedal or beater

i think the roland is exactly what i'm looking for. just a bit pricey for me at the moment. think i'll keep my eye out for more of the FATpedal.

thanks guys.


that yamaha KU100 looks okay too. for $70 it could be worth a shot.

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Great overcoat. They're not kidding about the years of trouble free operation. Mine still looks like new, and like the one in the picture.

Very well built, and they do not fatigue through time.

Not sure with the PadKontrol but If you want to emulate the drums a bit more, you could also get a basic foot switch and use that as a left hi-hat switch. Several Alesis drum modules do this really well. I have a Alesis D4.

If space is a concern, you can use drum sticks with a Roland Pad. I don't think I could give higher marks for a drum product than my Roland Octapad II. It's been an awesome device for years for me. It may be the only electronic device besides some guitars I own that actually went up in resale value than what I originally paid for it. You get to use sticks, assign the pads and virtually have a kit in a very small space.

Just a thought.

Btw, I like the looks of the PadKontrol a lot! I have not had success with pad controllers
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Lokeyfly wrote:Great overcoat. They're not kidding about the years of trouble free operation. Mine still looks like new, and like the one in the picture.

Very well built, and they do not fatigue through time.

Not sure with the PadKontrol but If you want to emulate the drums a bit more, you could also get a basic foot switch and use that as a left hi-hat switch. Several Alesis drum modules do this really well. I have a Alesis D4.

If space is a concern, you can use drum sticks with a Roland Pad. I don't think I could give higher marks for a drum product than my Roland Octapad II. It's been an awesome device for years for me. It may be the only electronic device besides some guitars I own that actually went up in resale value than what I originally paid for it. You get to use sticks, assign the pads and virtually have a kit in a very small space.

Just a thought.

Btw, I like the looks of the PadKontrol a lot! I have not had success with pad controllers



Funny, i actually bought an Alesis control pad a couple years ago so i could play with sticks. It was a second hand unit from some shop on ebay. only problem was the usb port on the back was loose and wouldn't hold a connection so i returned it and went the padkontrol route. I really like the feel of the padkontrol a lot. great little tool.

The octapad would be awesome. i bet i'd love it, it's a bit out of my price range though at the moment. I've also got my eye on the new Roland TR-8. I've always wanted a solid hardware drum machine and that thing is a beast.
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