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Can anyone tell me if there are any instruments available in Presence that comes close to a tubular bell sound, like in Mike Oldfield's classic. If not actual tubular bells perhaps something that could be manipulated with FX available in S1 Artist to get close to this sound?
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presence under percussion there is a preset for tubular bells but they ain't the best but with a bit of tweaking you might be able to get something out of it.
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horahack wrote: Can anyone tell me if there are any instruments available in Presence that comes close to a tubular bell sound, like in Mike Oldfield's classic. If not actual tubular bells perhaps something that could be manipulated with FX available in S1 Artist to get close to this sound?


Well, there's an awful lot of bell sounds and timbre's in Mike Oldfield's Tubular Bells. I haven't come across any close like bell sounds in Presence. Remember though, Presence being a sample player will have limitations on adjusting the sound to tailor it to specific needs that you may be looking for. You could try going through the bell-like patches and with the very basic modulation section filter a little. Still we're talking a basic control inside Presence.

Better still, you need to venture into either a synth where you could modify timbres better. Typically, a triangle wave is bell like, and if you play around with 3 triangle waveforms, that will provide more bell like overtones (which bells do naturally). Don't just hear a bell sound and give up if it's not close. Adjust the envelopes ADSR and see what you get. You could try Mojito, though I've never really used it.

With such programs like FM8 from Native Instruments, you have FM synthesis which while I wont even go into, has very hard brassy bell like qualities just naturally due to the carriers and modulators associated with FM synthesis. Woody tones as well, FM is known for.

Another option is to sample and capture the bell sounds in Tubular bells (not steal mind you!!! ) and modify the samples to your liking. I suspect Tubular Bells was so popular, you could find some samples already off the internet.

Tubular bells is heavy on reverb, so the better reverb you have, the more convincing the results will be. S1 Artist has Room Reverb, and mixverb which is pretty good, but something like Open Air (S1 Pro) is going to give you "ahhhhhhhh" results.

From your question horahack, perhaps don't look to Presence, but other virtual instruments, or possibilities, but I'm just taking a stab as only you know what you're looking for. I don't think Presence will get you there though. JMHO.

If you have to stay within Artist, I wouldn't be surprised if Mojito in a couple of instances gets you close, and it does have reverb built in. But you will have to sculp. Ah, much the way Michael Oldfield had to.

Tubular bells starts with a piano with one bell overtone, then another bell an octave higher. So again, depending on what you are going for, really listen to the buildup of sounds. I wouldn't put it past just a few basic bell like timbres, and arpegiate them in sync with a piano, and we'll be buying your next album. OK, laugh at me,I still say album (or CD). Try jBranam's suggestion and slam it with reverb. Then use an arpegiator. Maybe you'll get something better!

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Thanks, guys:

The preset IS pretty lame, as is. Like doorbell chimes. I'll play with it.

Lokeyfly, interesting you mention the triangle. I don't think they are hollow or tubluar, but do have a nice clean ring. Have we talked about this on another DAW related forum? Someone had mentioned using a triangle in lower octaves. I looked through the browser presets under percussion and didn't see triangle listed, unless it called something else.

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Tubular bells always make me think of Rush's "Closer To the Heart"...
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mwright137 wrote:Tubular bells always make me think of Rush's "Closer To the Heart"...


Yep, or Disarm, Smashing Pumpkins. That ring really goes nice with the cellos.
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horahack wrote:Thanks, guys:

The preset IS pretty lame, as is. Like doorbell chimes. I'll play with it.

Lokeyfly, interesting you mention the triangle. I don't think they are hollow or tubluar, but do have a nice clean ring. Have we talked about this on another DAW related forum? Someone had mentioned using a triangle in lower octaves. I looked through the browser presets under percussion and didn't see triangle listed, unless it called something else.



I believe Lokeyfly was referring to a triangle wave form. and was talking about offsetting each oscillator slightly to achieve results you may have been looking for. i think. I'm sure lokey will chime in with an incredibly descriptive reply soon letting us know if this is the case. I love Lokeyflys replies. always incredibly helpful with absolutely zero judgement. it's refreshing in forums these days. not to say there aren't countless other helpful members here...

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D'oh!

Triangle wave forms, of course.

I still think the little triangular bell has some possibilities.
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haha, ya... throw that thing in melodyne and see what happens.... oh wait, you're on artist. no melodyne right?
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overcoat wrote:haha, ya... throw that thing in melodyne and see what happens.... oh wait, you're on artist. no melodyne right?


Yeah. Artist comes with a 30 day trial of Melodyne. I haven't activated it yet. Thought I'd wait and get more familiar with S1 first so I get a better use of the trial period.

So Melodyne is all about Pitch Correction, right. Like I can lower a guitar track down an octave to sound like a bass? Or, I guess just use a guitar as a midi control. I bet you could get some cool low tones out of the little bell with that. I'll definately check out the trial before upgrading to Pro.
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overcoat wrote: haha, ya... throw that thing in melodyne and see what happens.... oh wait, you're on artist. no melodyne right?

horahack responded: Yeah. Artist comes with a 30 day trial of Melodyne. I haven't activated it yet. Thought I'd wait and get more familiar with S1 first so I get a better use of the trial period.

So Melodyne is all about Pitch Correction, right. Like I can lower a guitar track down an octave to sound like a bass? Or, I guess just use a guitar as a midi control. I bet you could get some cool low tones out of the little bell with that. I'll definately check out the trial before upgrading to Pro.


I do get overcoats " oh wait, you're on artist. no melodyne right?". A lot of purists would be against it. Problem is, a lot of purist don't realize how many tricks in the studio make them sound like Superman, when they are merely a Jimmy Olson, (or to be non gender, "God's when they are merely mortals").

Melodyne is awesome, and you can get some interesting overtones or pitch changes, depending on how Melodyne splits up or deciphers the audio (creating "blobs"). I highly recommend exploring it.

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Lokeyfly:

Thanks. I’ll play around with Mojito a bit on the bells and definitely get started with Melodyne soon. Both look to be pretty useful tools.
Would I also use Mojito to get a distorted Fuzz box like effect onto a guitar track? Or would this be more of an Ampire kind of thing. I haven’t run across anything in FX like Fuzz, distortion or overdrive options. I’m thinking that maybe a really high gain setting on Mojito might get this kind of vintage sound.
 
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