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f.furter
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Hi, this is my first post here. I may be the first ex-Bitwig user to move to Studio One! I switched from Live to Bitwig Studio in January, and then to Studio One about a week ago. Bitwig is great but was still too buggy. Live was too slow. Studio One seems pretty decent. The only thing I miss is the Arrange View clip launcher in Bitwig, but I love the ability to group chunks of audio yet still be able to move things in and out of the editor in Studio One, which makes up for it to a large extent. Also miss the ability to loop a clip differently to the timeline while editing that BS and Live have. If Studio One had these two features I think it would be even better for people used to non-linear working. Any other ex-Live users here? I'm wondering how lack of a loop player affects your way of working. I do have a Maschine that might be useable for this. I got it for nothing, but I'm not really sure how to use it so I won't be trying that until I know S1 inside out.

The console is a bit confusing initially but I think it will be fine once I'm used to it. Love the shortcuts and zooms. Automation is very nice. Hardware control seems ok, though I've not explored it fully. In Live I had 6 user scripts for the same keyboard I could lock to different instruments, and each one locked to 8 assigned macros. Not sure how S1 compares yet, I've only done a few manual mappings. It does seem to swap channels and still remember what it was supposed to be doing, so that's more or less got everything covered. But only if the Instrument Editor is open, not sure if there's any way around that. No biggie anyway as there's a shortcut and the GUI's swap when you change channels (not so in Bitwig, can't remember for Live).

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Welcome f.furter! Yeah S1 in many ways is very satisfying. You will get seamless results with Melodyne, but there is room for improvement on the arrangement front.

Enjoy, and welcome to a great DAW & helpful bunch in these parts as well.
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Cheers Lokeyfly! I'm making my first template and I'm loving the ability to individually hide and resize tracks. Also I discovered I can rename instrument channels to the track name which helps me keep track in the console easier. Not tried Melodyne yet.
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And it's a good lot over here. If not obvious, always try the search first. Honestly, I've found more stuff through there than you'd think ( I know some forums a search won't get you ANYTHING)

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f.furter
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cheers hibidy, will do!

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f.furter
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Thanks oldblood!
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Don't you think you should give Bitwig a little time? I mean it's barely a couple of weeks old! I'm sure most of the bugs will be ironed out eventually.

I'm just saying that because with S1 you won't get what you had with Live or Bitwig. But if you're comfortable working in a more linear fashion, I think you've come to the right place.

While I do have a copy of Live for collaborations and clients, I personally never use it. My mind just seems to think linearly. While I see the potential of Live's/Bitwig's clip or session view or whatever it's called, it's just not for me. And when it comes to traditional linear sequencing, I think S1 is the slickest and most advanced of the bunch, even though it's not quite up there with Cubase or Logic in terms of features (especially MIDI). But it's still growing and already has some tricks up its sleeves none of the other have.

Unless you do miss the session view, I think you'll be very happy with Studio One.

The hardware mapping is brilliant in S1, kind of like Automap without the overhead, not sure how it compares to Ableton's macros though.

Be sure to check out the fantastic integration of Melodyne in S1! I have the full blown editor, so I'm not sure which features are 'standard' in S1, but the integration is sublime.

I also have Maschine but have stopped using it after I upgraded to V2, because as of now V2.x does not allow Maschine to be used as an externally sequenced VSTi and I can't be bothered to deal with two sequencers simultaneously. But it does work nicely in S1. Your best bet is probably to trigger scenes in Maschine via MIDI notes in S1. That way Maschine follows S1 nicely.

All in all I've never been happier with any DAW than with Studio One, even though there still is room for improvement.
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Well I was using Bitwig Studio since January, and before that I was doing internal testing for Ableton so I was a bit sick of testing stuff and not actually getting music made, and I needed a change. Bitwig has great features and if it was more stable I would have stuck with it, but I was just fed up of crashes, things not working, and things that were still being developed. I appreciate that you expect that in a new DAW, so I'm not knocking Bitwig or Bitwig Studio.

The funny thing is that what I considered Bitwig's biggest feature—putting the Launcher into Arrange view—actually got me thinking more in terms of Arrange View and less about using a loop player. The Launcher or Session View mainly useful for working on parts while the rest of the song plays in Arrange, but you can still manage in a linear DAW, you just have to stop and loop the whole thing while you get a loop sorted. Studio One forces me to get stuff down and not mess about with loops forever. Bitwig Studio has the best of both worlds, and so is the ideal DAW structure (Arrange View with built-in loop player), but I had to make a decision based on all the other factors.
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f.furter wrote:The funny thing is that what I considered Bitwig's biggest feature—putting the Launcher into Arrange view—actually got me thinking more in terms of Arrange View and less about using a loop player. The Launcher or Session View mainly useful for working on parts while the rest of the song plays in Arrange, but you can still manage in a linear DAW, you just have to stop and loop the whole thing while you get a loop sorted. Studio One forces me to get stuff down and not mess about with loops forever. Bitwig Studio has the best of both worlds, and so is the ideal DAW structure (Arrange View with built-in loop player), but I had to make a decision based on all the other factors.


Yes!! This is the reason I never bought Ableton. I would be forever messing with loops and never arranging anything, AND all my songs would sound like they started out as loops--very repetitive. I think the linear work flow is best for me.

Even still, it is very easy to loop a section in StudioOne and then arrange it by duplicating the selected events.
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And it's great how snappy things like duplication in Studio One feel, very quick, not to mention the custom and single key shortcuts. I'm busy customizing them at the moment. I can only remember a few unless they can have two letters, so I like to make them count! What I've done is put markers every 8 bars and learned how to jump from one to another, simple stuff but it helps.
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Welcome, dude.

And when you like the shortcuts, just wait when you find out about macros
f.furter
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I'm liking the sound of that!
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Welcome aboard!
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Thank you Sir Melvis!
 
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