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does anybody have good setting on delay for vocals i can use?
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it heavily depends on what it is you want the delay to do. I highly recommend just playing around with the delay you plan on using and mess around with it for a while til you get the desired effect. play with the feedback, the mix, the tempo if you want it synced or not, etc...
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thanks i just always have problems with delay would like a good preset to go by
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It really is subjective. Every song is different.

When I need a starting place I start at 300ms if that helps. My standard for the mix setting is if I can heard the delay while they're singing it's too high. I like the delay just to help extend some notes.

Feedback setting is also very important. I start very low, maybe even 0. I like delay to be a slapback/echo more than multiple repeats. But again, the song determines what will work.
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Like MWright suggested, it's really dependent on what you want the end result to be.

In some cases delay is an obvious musical effect, whatever.

In some other cases, delays are used in post to create the spatial cues that exist in the real world. In those cases you don't really so much "hear" them as much as "sense" them in the overall sense of space or depth.

An example of the latter might be recording a good vocalist at a good distance in a good room and getting that great sense of depth on the track, and then recording the same singer close up with no "acoustic support" and trying to recreate the previous sense of depth with digital verb and delay in post.

It's really hard to match. Not that hard to create usable or good sounding depth, what we're accustomed to hearing with digital verb and delay, but harder to create something that actually sounds as good as the real thing. So careful use of delays to create / fake those natural subtle spatial cues can help with that.

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thanks i learned alot from this post but can i get a preset???
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Lol. You kinda should just play it by ear as you go but here's one you can recreate with whatever delays you have. It's the "Slap Elvis" Supertap preset starting point that I often use for vox and tweak a good bit and subtly mix in along with Analog Delay, Waves Doubler, and some other random things at different times.

But the final settings would be largely dependent on other things going on like what verb I was using or what other delays I was using so... you have to tweak that stuff to your liking...




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Slap Elvis lol
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thanks lmike but do u have any presets for s1v2 plugg inns?
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crow wrote:thanks lmike but do u have any presets for s1v2 plugg inns?
Not really. Just put up some delays and experiment.

My lead vocal bus setup for R&B ballads or similar might kinda look something like below, with independent LCR delays that can be mixed to help build a space. There might also be a Waves Doubler on another group bus in there.

Mix and tweak to taste. L might be125ms, C at 60ms with more feedback and with saturation, maybe R at 150ms. It depends on what it all sounds like when I tweak them and mix the bus faders. None of them would be locked to the song tempo. The hi/lo pass filters on L & R will likely be different from C, etc, etc.

The delay bus feeding those is just a pre-fader pass though that can be hidden, just to not have to create 3 sends on the vocal track to hit all 3 delays.

I wish I could make those 5-6 busses a template and just drop them in when I want to do that.



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I don't think I have ever used a preset for a delay, but.........

But you can try to set the delay time to fit the song tempo. Either in 1/2, 1/4, 1/8, 1/16 or even 1/32 notes (closer to reverb feeling).

For how many repeats/feedback, try to think of a logical place to end/fade out the delays (to fit the song and arr). After 1, 2, 4 or 8 beats.

On both the above, try to think in musical divisions. Eg bars and beats (and their millisecond equivalent).

60000 / song tempo = delay time in 1/4 notes. Example: 60000 / 120 = 500 ms

That should get you going.

PS. Mixing by numbers, is not very useful. Thinking musical and learning to listen is the key IMO.
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thanks everybody i got alot of work 2 do and of course alot of learning to do! Lmike you have 3 delays going on? pan left, pan right than center? why not just one delay?
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I used three in that case because I prefer using Analog Delay but it doesn't have good independent control for stereo delays, so I use two instances for a stereo delay, and one mono delay instance in the middle for maybe a bit of slapback on the vocal in the middle.

I could obviously replace those two instances for the L/R delays with one Waves Supertap 2 or something for the stereo delay, same thing, 6 of 1, half dozen of the other. We have unlimited busses so... build whatever you want any way you prefer.

But the two LR Analog Delay instances serving that purpose give more overall independent control of the "stereo delay" settings than using one Waves Supertap 2 would.

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crow wrote:thanks lmike but do u have any presets for s1v2 plugg inns?
Not really. Just put up some delays and experiment.

My lead vocal bus setup for R&B ballads or similar might kinda look something like below, with independent LCR delays that can be mixed to help build a space. There might also be a Waves Doubler on another group bus in there.

Mix and tweak to taste. L might be125ms, C at 60ms with more feedback and with saturation, maybe R at 150ms. It depends on what it all sounds like when I tweak them and mix the bus faders. None of them would be locked to the song tempo. The hi/lo pass filters on L & R will likely be different from C, etc, etc.

The delay bus feeding those is just a pre-fader pass though that can be hidden, just to not have to create 3 sends on the vocal track to hit all 3 delays.

I wish I could make those 5-6 busses a template and just drop them in when I want to do that.





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