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idolworkshop
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One loose end....
LMike wrote:Actually, it doesn't, not Artist. But if you upgraded to Producer, yes it does. Your initial post made a big point of it being "free". Producer isn't free... so the assumption was you were still using Artist.

Initially, I accidentally typed "Artist" and quickly edited it. Artist was the free bundle, but yes, the upgrade to Producer was also free.

I don't suppose that revelation will earn me any additional friends... since y'all probably paid something for your copies, and here I am bitching about the very same program, only totally free. I just happened to come along at the right time. It was my orginal intent to buy Cubase but when I saw the S1 package, I figured I'd go with that and see how it worked out. If it was a winner, then no need to buy Cubase. The OP was the culmination of that journey; I'd experienced a certain amount of ongoing frustration at things like the transport controls being dissimilar to what I was used to, and of becoming accustomed to a new interface and the investment of time that entails.

I felt totally betrayed because, when this last straw occurred, all I could think was "That's it, it's NOT working out, and I could've just done what I intended all along without investing effort into something I'm now going to throw away." Not only that, I've got a couple of dozen projects now in a format which will be obsolete as of today.

See how that works? I'm not poor (aka, not a professional musician (sorry, couldn't resist)). Getting Cubase is no thing but a chicken wing, I could get ProTools and hardware if I wanted but I'm not at that level of expertise or need (and it might suck, too). I'm not a musician, but a number of my friends are pro musicians and, frankly, I've already gotten some guff for going with a "non-standard" or "lesser" DAW, right or wrong. And now I feel stupid because I was defending my frugal (and unnecessary) position up to this point.

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Dear Idol...

I've left several DAWs behind without making a big, dramatic public exit so that I could get the last word in and feel that I was right in leaving.

To each his own. But there are many of us here who have crawled through the labyrinth of audio recording apps over the years and have happily chosen Studio One - including paid audio professionals who have worked in and owned commercial recording studios that demand more than the "audio box" level of sound quality. I think you're telling those of us with such credentials that we have poor decision making skills and low expectations.

Why not just wave bye bye and say hello to your new DAW for me and the rest of us. Thanks.

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While it has been a bit abrasive all in all, it was also a useful engagement once it got going.


Uh oh, somebody is starting to like us.

All kidding aside, sometimes this forum is like the girl you work with. Nothing really jumps out and says WOW, she's hot, but after a while our charm and whitty banter win you over, and next thing you know we're dating.

It seems the anger has subsided, and thats a good thing. For discussion sake, sometimes people with extensive knowledge of something, can sometimes miss somewhat basic basic problems. The old, "It couldn't be that simple" theory (AKA the "Is there gas in the tank" theory).

My life won't change one iota if the op moves on to another DAW, but $500.00 is a bit of coin to drop on a hobby from one bad experience. Think of all the 3rd party content you can get with that money when you allow folks that genuinely want to help get you up and running. I think the "Cult" comment was said out of anger/frustration, but was a bit mis-guided. We aren't cultish per say, but probably everyone here has been in your shoes, have been helped through the problem, and want to return the favor. It may prevent you from jumping from DAW to DAW to DAW, and not really diving in and giving anyone of them a fighting chance.

I know its hard to believe in this day and age, but there really are people out there that want to help others for no other reason than returning the favor they have gotten.

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matthewgorman wrote:Uh oh, somebody is starting to like us.

Lol. We're one of the nicer cults, kinda like "musical Hare Krishna's", pretty harmless.
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roland1 wrote:Dear Idol...

I've left several DAWs behind without making a big, dramatic public exit so that I could get the last word in and feel that I was right in leaving.

This was my very first dramatic exit, precisely commensurate with the grief it put me through,

To each his own. But there are many of us here who have crawled through the labyrinth of audio recording apps over the years and have happily chosen Studio One - including paid audio professionals who have worked in and owned commercial recording studios that demand more than the "audio box" level of sound quality. I think you're telling those of us with such credentials that we have poor decision making skills and low expectations.

I can see how it looks that way. I'm a novice (although I know damn well that reformatting my drive is not the first option in this case). I don't mean to impugn your credentials or choices, so sorry about that implication. A lot more music professionals have made different choices than you. Who's right? Popularity contests certainly don't tell the tale. I remember coming to this forum when I first got registered, and reading accounts from people just like you which made me feel I'd made a sound decision, one that happened to be cheaper.

I didn't feel that way last night. Not. At. All.

I'm glad your experience has been good. Mine has not, where it has been for pretty much everything I've ever used. Beginner/novice luck? I don't know. Not going to hang around to find out.

Why not just wave bye bye and say hello to your new DAW for me and the rest of us. Thanks.

Yeah, that's what I'm slowly doing, over a new pot of coffee and no sleep.
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I don't suppose that revelation will earn me any additional friends... since y'all probably paid something for your copies, and here I am bitching about the very same program, only totally free.


The majority of us have probably started that way, and have either stayed with the version they have or upgraded to get additional features. No One here really worries about how a user got it in the first place, only that they got it legitimately. We have no patience for pirates.

See how that works? I'm not poor (aka, not a professional musician (sorry, couldn't resist)).


You probably should have resisted. Not the nicest comment I've seen in these forums.

I've already gotten some guff for going with a "non-standard" or "lesser" DAW, right or wrong. And now I feel stupid because I was defending my frugal (and unnecessary) position up to this point.


Why let that bother you? At one point in time, people were HAMMERED for even looking at Pro Tools, when there is perfectly good 2" tape available. The Beatles were mocked for multi track recording. Prior to that it was 2 track stereo. Everything has to start somewhere.

Getting Cubase is no thing but a chicken wing,


That may very well be, but 20+ posts later kind of contradicts that.
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matthewgorman wrote:
While it has been a bit abrasive all in all, it was also a useful engagement once it got going.


Uh oh, somebody is starting to like us.

Really there were only a couple of unpleasant comments, again not unexpected. I anticipated some ire and negative reaction,

It seems the anger has subsided, and thats a good thing. For discussion sake, sometimes people with extensive knowledge of something, can sometimes miss somewhat basic basic problems. The old, "It couldn't be that simple" theory (AKA the "Is there gas in the tank" theory).

Yeah.

My life won't change one iota if the op moves on to another DAW, but $500.00 is a bit of coin to drop on a hobby from one bad experience.

This is where I actually don't want to sound haughty, but have little choice. $500 is not much of my time. This is a very realistic assessment I have to make. Reformatting my drive is WAY more expensive to me in time than getting Cubase. From that perspective, it makes a lot of sense,
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matthewgorman wrote:
You probably should have resisted. Not the nicest comment I've seen in these forums.

Eh, compared to what I got in response #2, that's fluff.

I've already gotten some guff for going with a "non-standard" or "lesser" DAW, right or wrong. And now I feel stupid because I was defending my frugal (and unnecessary) position up to this point.


Why let that bother you? At one point in time, people were HAMMERED for even looking at Pro Tools, when there is perfectly good 2" tape available. The Beatles were mocked for multi track recording. Prior to that it was 2 track stereo. Everything has to start somewhere.

Yes, I thought that. And most recently thought that I should've started with Cubase.

Getting Cubase is no thing but a chicken wing,


That may very well be, but 20+ posts later kind of contradicts that.

Not sure I understand, It is true that, had I been working instead of typing in this thread, I would be able to buy Cubase no problem. AND some third party stuff. Rather sleeping, so I could actually get some work done today. I never intended to spend this much time on this.
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idolworkshop wrote:This is where I actually don't want to sound haughty, but have little choice. $500 is not much of my time. This is a very realistic assessment I have to make. Reformatting my drive is WAY more expensive to me in time than getting Cubase. From that perspective, it makes a lot of sense,


You can't judge a forum on one piece of perceived bad advice, you need to stop harping the "Formatting" issue, we get it.

Now that we agree, once again, it's time to move on.
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CTStump wrote:
idolworkshop wrote:This is where I actually don't want to sound haughty, but have little choice. $500 is not much of my time. This is a very realistic assessment I have to make. Reformatting my drive is WAY more expensive to me in time than getting Cubase. From that perspective, it makes a lot of sense,


You can't judge a forum on one piece of perceived bad advice, you need to stop harping the "Formatting" issue, we get it.

Now that we agree, once again, it's time to move on.

Righto. Although, tell me he isn''t going to come back with the very same advice in an hour or two,
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idolworkshop wrote:
CTStump wrote:
idolworkshop wrote:This is where I actually don't want to sound haughty, but have little choice. $500 is not much of my time. This is a very realistic assessment I have to make. Reformatting my drive is WAY more expensive to me in time than getting Cubase. From that perspective, it makes a lot of sense,


You can't judge a forum on one piece of perceived bad advice, you need to stop harping the "Formatting" issue, we get it.

Now that we agree, once again, it's time to move on.

Righto. Although, tell me he isn''t going to come back with the very same advice in an hour or two,


I think even he got the message.
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Besides, the specific advice of reformatting is not the point, not at all. The point is ANY amount of troubleshooting, no matter how benevolent, gracious and effective the advice may be... it's simply not my best choice to go down a road that involves potentially hours of diagnostic try-this-try-that...

Especially since I had someone repeatedly insisting on the reformatting with not much else coming in at the time. Granted, how could the person know it WAS already essentially a fresh install? Well, that goes to the presumptuousness and blindness of the reply. In other words, not an effective strategy at all and for no real reason other than a mistaken belief that I couldn't possibly know the first thing about what's going on here. Not a good start.

The only thing that tack could do is demonstrate that a conflict is introduced between S1 and a program suite I really care about, like Komplete. If there's a conflict, guess what doesn't get re-installed?

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CTStump wrote:I think even he got the message.

Haha, I'll stop beating the dead horse.
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What will you do if Cubase exhibits the same problem?
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laskop64 wrote:The reason I suspect this is software related on the VST side is because I'm not convinced a properly working audio driver will output any audio. I could be wrong. And there's no reason to suspect Studio One itself, without any "assistance" would output such a harsh sound.

I know that my previous issue was VST related (even if it wasn't Kontakt in the end) is that my former DAW's VU meters spiked along with the horrible sound output. So if you saw those light up in a track and\or the output section when the incident occurred, it was most likely plugin related.

This is an interesting tidbit. FWIW, I did not see activity on the meters which corresponded to the noise.

For the record, I haven't had any such issues since I started using Studio One and switching from the free VST effects I used to more reliable ones such as Waves. Then again, I think my old DAW is just very shaky at times with effect-heavy sessions.

I have too many free VSTs, and many are questionable, but none loaded at the time.

 
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