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Monolithent
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I don't know about digital inears but my digital mics sound as good as wired. I've even tested them with software to verify it. Almost identical!
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Monolithent wrote:I don't know about digital inears but my digital mics sound as good as wired. I've even tested them with software to verify it. Almost identical!


This is also my experience.
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Ok guys here's the dealio. I need help with in ears because until today I had simply never used ANY! Today I got my hands on some really old Shure E2's. I don't want to spend 3 or 4 hundred dollarinnies just to find out they don't sound very good so I was going to borrow a set of buds that came with the psm200 and hardwire them to see if our drummer was going to like it before spending any do ra me. I ran into these E2's today and plugged them into my board at home and they sound like they were designed by a guy that could hear no midrange. There is no low freq to them at all. Before we respond saying there is something wrong with them I have 6 pairs! LOL And they all sound the same. I was thinking that if they sounded ok I would spring for a nice pair of Westones or the newer 535 Shures. My question, has anyone used these older models and moved to dual drivers? In other words please tell me that the newer buds are a night and day apart in sonic quality. I can see why any musician would stray away from anything that sounds like these E2's. Unless I am doing something wrong? Tips are wrong? I dunno any help is appreciated thanks guys!!!!!!!!!!!
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Yeah, they aren't the best, but one thing people don't think about when trying out earbuds (ones that AREN'T custom molds) is that you'll hear a lot of the bass from the PA, which rounds out the response a little more.
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Ok I'll buy that but are the dual drivers and newer buds quite a bit better?
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I'm no earbuds expert; I don't gig with them often. I couldn't tell you the difference between newer and older models, but out of the few I've tried, the dual-drivers ALWAYS sounded clearer than the single-drivers. Never tried any triple-drivers.
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Ok thanks bro!!!!! Anybody else???????
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Billyp07 wrote:Ok thanks bro!!!!! Anybody else???????



Ok, no low end can mean that these earbuds just don't fit to your ears. I'm a bassplayer, and I don't use an amp, we rehearse and perform only with in-ears. If my in-ears (Sennheiser IE6) dont fit IN my ears, I will not have any low end at all. The standard rubber buds are too big for my ears, so I remove them, and I take a small piece of Nichiban tape to put in place of the rubber buds. This way I can make them fit exactly the way I want and now I get the low end I want. Also having the instrument against my body, I can feel extra low end from my bass. And I use some compression on the auxes I use for my ears, no eq.
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Billyp07 wrote:Ok thanks bro!!!!! Anybody else???????


As the other guy mentioned, USUALLY no end at all means you don't have a good seal in your ear (meaning they don't fit the way they should). You need to mess around with the different foams and things until they fit perfectly, and block out external noise. That's why CUSTOM in ears are the best, because they are molded for your ear only, and fit comfortably and perfectly.

With that said, in ears aren't the cheapest of tings to get. I personally prefer triple drives, because as a vocalist, I really feel like the extra driver for the mid range makes a world of difference in clarity. I've also been fortunate enough to use a bunch of different types (single driver, dual driver, and triple) so I've had something to compare it to. The sets that I can HIGHLY recommend for the price are the following. Read more about them, and see what you think, but every one that has ever owned them that I know loves these all.

If you're looking for Custom In Ears, check out http://www.alienears.com/FRC3.htm. Alien ears is a custom company that spends no money on advertising at all so that they can keep their prices much lower than the competition and their in ears are amazing, and extremely affordable for custom. They offer a triple driver (the link above) for just $399 including custom mold.

If you're looking for universal fit, here are the best choices (In my opinion).

Dual Driver ($299) - Shure SE 425 http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/SE425
Triple Driver ($379) - Westone UM3X http://www.westonemusicproducts.com/catalog/um3x-monitor-removable-cable

Hope this helps. I've used many different types of in ears over the years, and would be happy to answer any specific questions for you about any of those ears.

The main thing I stress is that even though they aren't extremely cheap, you won't have to change them often, they last for awhile, and they sound great. Switching to in ears can be very difficult to get used to, but the better they sound, the more you'll enjoy the transition, because you'll sound amazing.
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Ahh now we are getting somewhere! I was wondering why Shure would create such a weird sonic pattern so to speak! LOL You are correct these only have rubber tips on them and they don't fit my ears very well at all. I will get some smaller tips and give another listen. We are not wireless so we will be running a cord which is totally cool with me. I don't care if I have to have another cord but I may look into this dealio you guys were talking about earlier in the thread. As far as newer buds are concerned you guys believe that the dual and triple drivers are FAR better than single? I don't mind buying some but I never want to waste money. I have been researching alot and almost every complaint was no low end. Which made me wonder if the buds were made this way. We will eventually switch over and when we do everything will be in the mix. We may still use a sub next to the drums if we can't get enough low end to make the drummer happy. Thanks everyone for the help!!!!!!!!!
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Ok you guys were right!!!! I twisted those suckers into my ear and whammo BASS!!!! They sound pretty decent. I will prolly upgrade at some point soon but to get started these are fine. Thanks for all the info!!!!!!!
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Good to hear!!!!
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As a lead singer in a 5-piece rock band (bass, drums, percussion, 3 gtrs, keyboard) normally I don't feel that I want hifi earbuds on stage.

I have 3-driver earbuds (really good sound! http://ultimateears.com/en-us/products/triplefi-10) as well as some others that have less low-end, slightly more mid, reduced highs and I usually tend to go for the lesser ones - The reason being clarity.

Also to consider that if you don't have your own mixer with separate geq31/peq on each aux there is a risk of not having that available when you are out gigging. Getting a good IE-mix from many soundguys is still a gamble, since IE-mix need more attention from them throughout the show due to the direct sound feeding your ears compared to the surrounding stage mix with wedges.

In my singer-mix I want to have my dry song, chorus, hihat, snare (or overhead depending on setup), lead guitar and my keyboard. The rest of the mix is not benificial for me as a lead vocalist, since I focus on the rythm and whatever mood the lead guitarist is in...

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After trying a pair of the E2's at soundcheck the other day (just to see what we were up against we weren't going to use them for the performance) I found that I couldn't get any decent amount of volume out of the 16.4 headphone jack. I have an old Behringer mixer here at the house that I had plugged them into and that mixer will take your head off. I will have more time this week to see if I was doing something wrong but is the Studiolive weak in this dept? I will also get an adaptor to turn them into mono and try an aux out just to try it. I will buy a headphone amp as well but I just found it weird that while listening to the entire mix with the headphone turned up to max the in ears were not even close to loud. Any thought's guys?
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I've found that I do have to crank mine a bit to get useful levels into the cans but I never thought much about it.
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My advice and suggestions should never be considered advice or suggestions. These are mostly insane ramblings of a poor aircraft mechanic who can, strangely enough, still hear.

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