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Taken from the V.I.Forum http://www.vi-control.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=3777460#3777460

http://www.mediafire.com/watch/5emnctk9jiftim8/S1_Issues.mp4

Lets hope these issues are fixed in version 3
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I made that video last night in a debate with some people who didn't believe me about those issues. I am going to send the video directly to Presonus and see if they will address them. There are just so many issues at this point for a midi orchestral type person like myself that I just can't use S1 for it anymore. Its just a complete buzz kill and I never thought I would say this, but I can do my productions in Cubase significantly faster than in S1 these days. Especially after 7.5 came out.

I know S1 will catch up though, I have faith (I hope that faith isn't wishful thinking ).

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I watched the video several times. Everything I saw seemed like intended behavior.

Hopefully I understood the main problem you were having in regard to bouncing. You can do what you were showing in Cubase in Studio One by choosing Export Stems. When you do that, you will be shown a list of what you want to Export and you have the option to do it in Realtime and Import it back to a track.

It will export each output individually, or you can set the outputs you want to mix down to a bus, and export just the bus, and that will lump all of your synth outputs on to a single track.

If you want to save resources after doing that just pull up the synth and turn it off in the upper left hand corner after you bounce the bus.

It can do it in realtime or not, which would be faster.

It appears as though you manually set up your outputs and created tracks for them perhaps?. I never do that anymore like I had to in Sonar. Studio One does this automatically, but only shows them in Console view when you activate them. In Console view you can alter the colors of each output of a single synth, but not in Track view. That appears to be intended behavior.

This 1:15 12 output (all outputs in use) track took 8 Seconds to have bounced down to a single audio track.



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I do mostly orchestration as well. The way the colour changes work is just broken and has been discussed many times before on the forum.

1. changing one colour in the track view changes all colours in the mixer view attached to that vsti. It shouldn't change the mixer view at all -- let me set the colours and leave them alone.

2. Setting the individual colours in the mixer of a multi-out vsti gets lost on a save. Reverts back to the colour of stereo 1/2 outputs of the vsti on re-load.

3. really funky behavoir with a mixture of multi-out vsti's and audio tracks when moving them. They appear to jump around. Again leave my mixer view alone. I often don't want my mixer order to be the same as my track order anyways.

4. Moving tracks in the mixer can move tracks in and out of folders in the track view. This is really dangerous behavior especially in conjunction with Point 3 above and folder editing.

What I have done to combat some of the above issues is to route every multi-out in the mixer to its own bus and then hide the source. At least then my visible colours don't get messed up and I can order them how I wish.

Studio One was my first daw (I just used notation programs previously). I don't know how other programs handle these issues. I don't care if its intended behavior. I just know that for an orchestrator the current workflow with multi-out vsti's leaves alot to be desired.

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Roy
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Hi Bub,

The issue is certainly not that it's a bug, it's that it's not desired behavior. I also stated that Cubase "Instrument Tracks" act in this same behavior. The difference is Cubase developed a second way of working, and it fixes all of these issues. So the option is there to work how you choose.

As for bouncing, my biggest issue is that everything needs to be done in realtime for me. I have no other option period due to external hardware. If I create a bus, it will change the bus for all of my sections (actually my entire orchestra). This is because as I said in the video, I host everything in VE PRO. Therefore S1 treats everything I do to one track, as a change to the HOST. This makes it change everything for me.

This is not desired and because of the lack of options, there is no workaround except using Cubase until S1 catches up (of which I know they will. They listen to us much more than they get credit for. they just don't vocalize it at all anymore). I miss the verbal updates, but I was so used to it from Logic etc. that it stopped bothering me long ago. They started strong keeping up in the forums etc. as all companies do and then faded away also, like all companies do. They have no presence here at all anymore with the exception of a few key members who use S1 and seem to have a little inside scoop. But even that leads to nothing more than "it's coming" or "it will be worth it". Whatever that means.

When reducing resources, I can't turn off anything because again, it sees VE PRO as one host and shuts the entire system down.

I never create any of my outputs manually. The only thing I need to do is activate them which maps them perfectly for me and then give them a name.

Between these things, lack of tempo track drawing and a few other things it's all but crippling for orchestral users. I have been faithful since the day they released S1 and still been trying to stick with them as often as I can. I am a true fanboy but they still have a ways to go.

I truly believe they are going to shock us with V3. I don't know if they will fix all of these issues (or give additional ways of working to solve certain workflow types) or fulfill all of our needs but I know they will certainly do most of them just based on their history. I am very much looking forward to fixes/workflow additions to solve these issues and many more color options.

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rjplus wrote:I do mostly orchestration as well. The way the colour changes work is just broken and has been discussed many times before on the forum.


It's also been discussed that S1 is relatively new and was geared more toward audio, so I'm not sure why people are expecting it to work just like DAW's that have been doing midi for many years.

I just tried it with the multi-out and you are right, it doesn't save, but it does with audio. I normally work with mostly audio and midi is secondary, but I can totally see why it's a problem for you guys. On the other hand I think the problem is being overblown.

I use folders extensively and I've never seen any odd behavior so it must be a workflow specific problem.

There's a few things that don't make sense based of what I'm used to. But 99% of the time I find that the way things work (short of confirmed bugs) do actually make sense once I get in to it. It's just that some things seem to have been coded with a different way of thinking.

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maestro2be wrote:I truly believe they are going to shock us with V3. I don't know if they will fix all of these issues (or give additional ways of working to solve certain workflow types) or fulfill all of our needs but I know they will certainly do most of them just based on their history. I am very much looking forward to fixes/workflow additions to solve these issues and many more color options.Maestro2be


I think good things are coming too. Hopefully they get this all sorted out for you midi guys. I know I'd be really upset if it didn't do the basic audio stuff I depend on and use all the time.

Thanks,

Shane

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For the tempo track, just set the grid resolution to its smallest value and use the pencil tool to draw. This is still stepped but it works well and is easy to use.

Cheers,
Roy

Edit: Hold down the alt key when you draw with the pencil tool (forgot to add it above).

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