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jimmacdonald
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I'm looking at getting one soon, and would like to know what owners think about it.

-How does it compare to the 1st Gen SL mixers?
-Are there any major Bugs that have surfaced (I saw this post about the 32.4.2 AI http://forumsarchive.presonus.com/posts/list/42677.page and wanted to see if they were fixed for the 24.4.2 AI release)

Any other feedback is helpful. Thanks

-Jim
timmyboylad
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Hi Jim,

I am happy to share my Studiolive 24.4.2 AI experience with you. The entire saga is here:

http://forumsarchive.presonus.com/posts/list/44566.page

It's a long one so grab a bowl of popcorn and a bottle of whiskey.
Desktop: Cubase 7.5.2 Wavelab 8.0.3, Halion 5.0.1, Presonus StudioLive 24.4.2AI, CPU Intel Core 2 Quad Q9550 2.83gHz, Motherboard Asus P5Q Pro, RAM Corsair 8gb (2x4gb), Video Card MSI R5450 (no fan), PSU Zalman ZM600 HP, Zalman Reserator 1 liquid cooled system, Windows 7 x64 Home Premium, Pro Tools 9.0.6, Waves Mercury Native 9.2.6

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jimmacdonald
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Thanks for your reply. I intend on using the board for Live sound, but also use Capture to record live sessions. I don't see fan noise as being an issue for me, and will ensure that there is proper airflow to cool the board.

I'm not understanding what you are saying about not being able to get the FAT channel into StudioOne or Capture. From the video's on the PreSonus website, I was under the impression you could save those and access them from the DAW, all via the software.
roblof
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jimmacdonald wrote:Thanks for your reply. I intend on using the board for Live sound, but also use Capture to record live sessions. I don't see fan noise as being an issue for me, and will ensure that there is proper airflow to cool the board.

I'm not understanding what you are saying about not being able to get the FAT channel into StudioOne or Capture. From the video's on the PreSonus website, I was under the impression you could save those and access them from the DAW, all via the software.

On the original series you could print the fat-channel directly to the daw if you mix on the console.

On the ai this functionality is disabled for some unknown(?) reason but the button is still there.
timmyboylad
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Yeah, I assumed that too. It should be a basic functionality of the board. But the fact appears to be that non of the 24 channel inputs can send the Fat Channel information to a firewire recording. Here's a link to the only discussion I could find about this debilitating issue:

http://support.presonus.com/entries/23177624-Why-do-the-AI-mixers-no-longer-have-the-Post-EQ-Dyn-button-functionality-


Using this in a recording studio, this problem makes the whole centerpiece of the board completely useless and unuseable. It was obviously a problem that Presonus must've run into when the financial train for the AI series had already left the station. I understand that these things happen, but to not be willing to say that they are working on fixing it? I am baffled by this.

I'm selling my new AI mixer at a loss and keeping my classic series.

I am very disappointed in Presonus now. I was speaking their praise just a little over a week ago!
Desktop: Cubase 7.5.2 Wavelab 8.0.3, Halion 5.0.1, Presonus StudioLive 24.4.2AI, CPU Intel Core 2 Quad Q9550 2.83gHz, Motherboard Asus P5Q Pro, RAM Corsair 8gb (2x4gb), Video Card MSI R5450 (no fan), PSU Zalman ZM600 HP, Zalman Reserator 1 liquid cooled system, Windows 7 x64 Home Premium, Pro Tools 9.0.6, Waves Mercury Native 9.2.6

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jimmacdonald
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"Please note: If StudioLive-AI mix scenes are stored with Capture 2.1 recordings, these scenes can be loaded into Studio One 2.6 complete with Fat Channel settings, fader values, pan position, bus assignments and FX mixes. This new workflow provides users with much more post-production flexibility by allowing alterations to the Fat Channels settings that were used in the live recording."

Can you explain to me why this workaround is not sufficient? I've only done live sound, so I don't know what caveats you have in the studio recording world, but this seems like it will work for me.
Monolithent
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There is a fix in the works for the Fat Channel not printing to the recordings. It was a bug in development that needed more time.

The reason why it is not a perfect workaround is that it uses computer resources that could be saved and handled at the mixer. I always track dry with maybe high pass so it isn't an issue for me either.

They'll get it fixed.
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My advice and suggestions should never be considered advice or suggestions. These are mostly insane ramblings of a poor aircraft mechanic who can, strangely enough, still hear.

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timmyboylad
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Thanks for chiming in here, Mono. While I appreciate your optimism, I am baffled why the two techs that I talked to would not commit to saying that they were even working on it. That's what I need from them. Some kind of sign, a smoke signal anything. All I know is I have two mixers sitting here and a $3000 credit card bill for one of them. I need to sell one of them. I'd love to keep the AI but not if they're not going to fix the problem any time soon. I just need an official word from them but they seem unwilling to give me one.

So what am I supposed to think? Do?

I used to track dry to my DAW but always thought it was a shame to let that Fat Channel go to waste (I mix in the box not returning through the mixer channels, mainly because my projects are usually much larger than 24 tracks).

It was always hard to use the Fat Channel in my studio as it's all one room. I'm sitting in there with the drummer so when he's playing the snare drum, even with headphones on, I can't really hear what the Fat Channel is doing. But with my classic 24.4.2, I had just devised a method to get around that and was getting a much better drum sound to the DAW going in. So, it was disappointing to me to say the least that this functionality doesn't work in this "upgraded" mixer. I can live with it temporarily but I need at least some assurance that it's being worked on and some rough ball park on when to expect it.

Due to the lack of thing being said about this issue, I get the feeling that this feature isn't important to most users out there, so wondering how hard Presonus is really working on it...

Thanks for participating in this discussion.
Desktop: Cubase 7.5.2 Wavelab 8.0.3, Halion 5.0.1, Presonus StudioLive 24.4.2AI, CPU Intel Core 2 Quad Q9550 2.83gHz, Motherboard Asus P5Q Pro, RAM Corsair 8gb (2x4gb), Video Card MSI R5450 (no fan), PSU Zalman ZM600 HP, Zalman Reserator 1 liquid cooled system, Windows 7 x64 Home Premium, Pro Tools 9.0.6, Waves Mercury Native 9.2.6

Laptop: MacBook Pro (15 in), 2.4 gHz Intel Core i7, 8 gb RAM, OSX Mountain Lion 10.8.5, Focusrite Saffire Pro 14 (Driver v 3.2), Presonus StudioLive 24.4.2, Philips DVD+-RW SDVD 8820 SATA drive, Wavelab 8.0.3, Cubase 7.5.2, Halion 5.0.1, Pro Tools 9.0.6, Waves Mercury Native 9.2.6
Monolithent
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I'm close enough to the source that I can tell you that it is in the system.

When they get it fixed is anyone's guess. Even if I did know I couldn't say. Company policy.
http://support.presonus.com

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No I'm not a freaking pilot!! The Air Force won't let me have a suit with a zipper...or sometimes shoestrings.

My advice and suggestions should never be considered advice or suggestions. These are mostly insane ramblings of a poor aircraft mechanic who can, strangely enough, still hear.

StudioLive 16.4.2, AudioBox 1818VSL, AudioBox 44VSL, Faderport, Digimax FS,, M-Audio Firewire 410
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Win Vista 64/XP Pro/7 x86/7 x64 - Mac OSX Snow Leopard/Lion
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sjc193
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Timmy,

I really think you need to look into the new AI way of doing the fat channel, it basically takes the fat channel settings that you have on the board during recording and loads those exact settings into the fat channel plugin (New with 2.6version) in studio one, this way you get the best of both worlds, you get the clean recording on print but you also get the same sound you got with the board via the fat channel plugin instead of it being printed that way, this lets you change those fat channel settings in post production just in case you accidentally maybe cut a freq too much, not that you or I would ever do that. . .

Steve
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timmyboylad
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Thanks, Steve, for taking the time to comment. But I really think Presonus needs to fix this broken part of their board. At the very least, it should have been made clear to someone in my situation that this was a functionality that no longer works.

Aside from the fact that I'm a Cubase user, when one spends extra money to "upgrade" their mixer, they should be made aware (by somebody) that there is actually reduced functionality in the new product. Having worked on good sounding consoles all my life, you are able to make use of these good sounding consoles by printing that good sound to tape or disc or whatever. That's why I was excited and decided to upgrade my classic 24.4.2 because I was looking forward to printing that upgraded preamp and Fat Channel sound to my DAW (which is Cubase).

Thanks again.
Desktop: Cubase 7.5.2 Wavelab 8.0.3, Halion 5.0.1, Presonus StudioLive 24.4.2AI, CPU Intel Core 2 Quad Q9550 2.83gHz, Motherboard Asus P5Q Pro, RAM Corsair 8gb (2x4gb), Video Card MSI R5450 (no fan), PSU Zalman ZM600 HP, Zalman Reserator 1 liquid cooled system, Windows 7 x64 Home Premium, Pro Tools 9.0.6, Waves Mercury Native 9.2.6

Laptop: MacBook Pro (15 in), 2.4 gHz Intel Core i7, 8 gb RAM, OSX Mountain Lion 10.8.5, Focusrite Saffire Pro 14 (Driver v 3.2), Presonus StudioLive 24.4.2, Philips DVD+-RW SDVD 8820 SATA drive, Wavelab 8.0.3, Cubase 7.5.2, Halion 5.0.1, Pro Tools 9.0.6, Waves Mercury Native 9.2.6
Monoskier
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There are a handful of users on this forum that can "almost" speak for Presonus - Monolithent being one of them. If he says they are fixing the issue then that's enough confirmation for me. Yes, it'd be nice to hear it from the horses mouth, but sometime hearing it from the horse whisperer has to suffice
timmyboylad
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Well Put! Thanks, monoskier
Desktop: Cubase 7.5.2 Wavelab 8.0.3, Halion 5.0.1, Presonus StudioLive 24.4.2AI, CPU Intel Core 2 Quad Q9550 2.83gHz, Motherboard Asus P5Q Pro, RAM Corsair 8gb (2x4gb), Video Card MSI R5450 (no fan), PSU Zalman ZM600 HP, Zalman Reserator 1 liquid cooled system, Windows 7 x64 Home Premium, Pro Tools 9.0.6, Waves Mercury Native 9.2.6

Laptop: MacBook Pro (15 in), 2.4 gHz Intel Core i7, 8 gb RAM, OSX Mountain Lion 10.8.5, Focusrite Saffire Pro 14 (Driver v 3.2), Presonus StudioLive 24.4.2, Philips DVD+-RW SDVD 8820 SATA drive, Wavelab 8.0.3, Cubase 7.5.2, Halion 5.0.1, Pro Tools 9.0.6, Waves Mercury Native 9.2.6
 
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