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Dmitriy_m2m
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Is there a way to set automation lines time based, not beat based? I'm mixing the song, I wrote vocal level automation and now I need to change song tempo to set tempo synced delays correctly. Problem is that automation curves follow tempo. How can I fix it?
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I'm not in front of S1 but,, have you tried opening the Inspector to see if there's an option it there that will help?

Also... would it help by 1) enabling automation to follow the track in options, and then 2) right clicking the waveform and adding tempo information to it?
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CPhoenix wrote:have you tried opening the Inspector to see if there's an option it there that will help?

I have, there is no such option. Automation follow events is checked. It works for the lines, attached to tracks, but not for lines in arrangement view
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Dmitriy_m2m wrote:Is there a way to set automation lines time based, not beat based?

I'm mixing the song, I wrote vocal level automation and

now I need to change song tempo to set tempo synced delays correctly.

Problem is that automation curves follow tempo. How can I fix it?



I was going to tell you you can set each track to don't follow then they will stay static along with the automation and allow you to do a tempo map to better align a beat synced echo , but I am not sure what you are trying to do.

now I need to change song tempo to set tempo synced delays correctly.

Do you really want to change the tempo of the song? Id so you would want the automation to shift as well.
If you don't want to change the tempo of the song but want the tempo track to better follow along then do as I suggested and it will work.

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I've done some mixing before setting up the right tempo. My mistake, but there are no midi track in this song.
I've found a temporary solution - use the transform tool for each automated line in song. I have only two in this song now, so it works
Maybe I should write a FR?
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Sorry still not getting the issue.
If you just want to change the tempo of audio tracks ( speed up everything) the automation will follow.

Sounds like you got something to work.
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Here is the problem:
I need to change the tempo of the song just to set up the delays and other tempo synced effects. So I don't want to stretch or move audio and automation, everything have to stay on it's place. Look at two pictures in the attach - with tempo 120 everything is ok, when changing to 150 two bottom automation lines move (note, than the blue one stays synced with the audio). The question is - how can I make two pink curves stay synced with audio?
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Ah your bottom pink automation is a stand alone automation lane I presume.
Yes it will continue to follow the tempo.changes
It looks like it is adjust the volume of the vocals so you can highlight a region in that automation copy then paste it into a connected automation lane within ( under) the vocals then it will remain static when you set the track to "not follow"
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Interesting. Automation on an automation track seems to always follows the tempo, with no way to opt out of that. That's good to know..

The easy solution seems to me - unless you have 30 envelopes on that automation track - to just move the envelope back to it's parent track before changing the tempo so it won't do that. You can put it back on the automation track afterward, or not.

P.S. This is... not optimal... this behavior (imo, mmv). If you have a big project with lots of automation tracks, tweaking the tempo a tiny bit later becomes not so feasible if it will kinda mess up all of that automation. It's not so much that it moves with tempo but that it - stretches - with the tempo, so you really can't even copy and paste it. Since it will stretch or compress with tempo changes copy and paste to the same relative start position (relative to the clips) wouldn't correct it.

Sounds like a necessary FR to add "Don't Follow" to automation tracks in the Inspector?



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Haven't tried this but when you copy an automation track, will it follow the timeline when you past it back after the tempo was changed?

Just an idea to try. If you get lucky, the automation will stay the same in the copy buffer so when you paste it back it hasn't changed with the tempo.
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Tried it. It pastes back with the same way, auto conforming to the new tempo, not doing what he wants.

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Thank you all for your help. I did it using transform tool for now, and wrote FR here. Let's wait for this feature adding
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It's an interesting thing, imo.

It's one of those things that (imo) only comes up here because of the additional flexibility of having automation tracks. I mean, this would never come up in Cubase or Reaper or PT and similar because you actually can't "disconnect" automation envelopes from their parent track hierarchy that way and freely move them around like that. They always follow the track because they're always on the track.

Transform had / has a few similar things come up for discussion for much the same reason, because the arguably more flexible approach is so different, it also created some brand new potential issues (like maybe going too far with freeze + clip fades / clip gain + Event Fx and all that together and not being able to go all the way back while keeping it all), problems that really never existed before anywhere else because the other systems don't work that way.

Interesting.
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