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michaelgrimaila@yahoo.com
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I am considering purchasing a Presonus board for a live classic rock band.

I wanted to hear from other how you make use of scene recalls.

Please tell me your experiences with this feature....

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I guess I'm up first!

When in festival mode you can do soundchecks with any number of bands and store each for recall, making changeovers a snap.

When doing something theater, you can set up scenes with different setups

If your doing one man band or something along those lines you can set up different scenes for different parts of the act.

If you do multiple bands on a regular basis and see them all form time to time you can set up a scene to recall all the setup just the way you were when last you played, if you duplicate the setups each time your in the groove much quicker.

I'll let others detail some other uses...The SL mixer is the bomb!
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Yep, I use scene recall pretty much every time I'm working with a band that I've worked with in the past.
Save their scene at the end of the gig, pull it back up for the next gig, make minor tweaks.

Certainly use it for my own band, we've dialed in our mix pretty solid such that it only requires minor adjustments per the venue acoustics before a show.

And I even use it with bands that I've never worked with before, I recall a Startup scene that I've created that just covers the basics, drums, bass, keys, gtrs, vocals, backup vocals. Gets me to a really good starting place every time.
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Cool....

I am curious how many different mix recall are used when mixing for the same band.

I agree that most of the time you would use the a fixed mix for a given band.

However, I was thinking that this capability could be used on a per song basis.

The idea would be that if you really exploited the capabilities of the this board you could have a separate Gate/Compressor/EQ/EFX setting for each channel in each mix. If you recorded the inputs during a rehearsal (something that Presonus boards really do well) you could customize the mix for each song ahead of time and recall when doing live mixes.

I am really struggling with a decision on which board to purchase from Sweetwater:

1. Presonus 32.4.2 AI
2. Soundcraft Si Expression 3
3. Behringer X32

Each board has their pros and cons. I would have to add $400 to get Firewire for the SC board.

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michaelgrimaila@yahoo.com wrote:Cool....

I am curious how many different mix recall are used when mixing for the same band.

As many as you want or need (or 99 if you're not using VSL, though VSL is preferred as there is audible noise changing scenes without it and you have as many scenes as your computer hard drive will hold)

I agree that most of the time you would use the a fixed mix for a given band.

It isn't really for a fixed mix but more for having all the channels lined up for each input.

However, I was thinking that this capability could be used on a per song basis.

Per song you could use it but I'd make it more wide sweeps for song styles rather than individual songs (like going from a ballad to death metal)

The idea would be that if you really exploited the capabilities of the this board you could have a separate Gate/Compressor/EQ/EFX setting for each channel in each mix. If you recorded the inputs during a rehearsal (something that Presonus boards really do well) you could customize the mix for each song ahead of time and recall when doing live mixes.

Most sound guys tend to stay clear of building the fader locations in as these settings have to be very precise and don't account for the randomness of live sound and bands (for example, your lead guitarist just has to try out his new Mesa twin 12 with the thermonuclear head after using a Fender Princeton for years), though it can be done.

I am really struggling with a decision on which board to purchase from Sweetwater:

1. Presonus 32.4.2 AI ($4K)

2. Soundcraft Si Expression 3 ($3K)

3. Behringer X32 ($3K)

Each board has their pros and cons. I would have to add $400 to get Firewire for the SC board.

The USB on one of the boards listed above barely meets spec to transfer audio (though I've not personally tested that). The SL is card based so it has future expandability (CAT5 solutions which are as universal as USB but with substantially better throughput)
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I like the idea of what you are thinking Mike!... but it might get a little squirrelly if you have too drastic of Changes on the same inputs going song to song... but yea! if your band is consistent in their own levels and sound you would be fin just changing FX for different songs... but let's say you go from a standard rock song to an acoustic guitar driven song... this is a great place to have a scene change... the vocals may want a slightly different EQ/compression as the singers are singing a bit differently and need more or less... or maybe you go into a strange bridge and the band changes sounds on guitars and keys and you want the voices to have a different sound... click in the bridge scene and then click back to the main song scene... ! great!

another good use is song to song but just changing FX type and programs and individual channel sends... say on a song the back up singers are drenched in hipnodrastix confusion and then the next they are just a little verbulated... means your sound man is on top of all this and hits it on cue... I like it... go for it!...

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There is one thing to consider with scene changes. When changing scenes on the studiolive the mains output is muted for a second during the recall. This is not a problem if you make the scene change between songs. In the middle of a song it would be disastrous.

I do sound from stage for an 11 to 17 piece band so you can be sure that I use scene recalls at every gig to give me a head start.
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that's... right ewadge... I forgot these boards do a mute on scene changes... too bad... it could be so much more useful if it did it instant with no mute... there must be a good reason...
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If you do the scene change from the computer or iPad then it is instantaneous
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Thanks for the responses....

Excellent inputs from everyone.

Having the ability to recall a mix is pretty cool, especially in the context of multiple bands and/or venues.

Muting between scene recalls is not a problem as this would only occur between songs.

Michael



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As Monoskier indicated if you change scenes in VSL it's not audible, the Ai series further refined this...
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I'm from the "Old School" back when we hadn't even heard of monitors.. Anyway.. I was wondering if there is any kind of protocol or "system" as to which instruments and vocals you set for the channels.... I know that most people like to set Channel 1 for Kick and the rest for drums and then "others"... I have always set up the vocals first. from FOH left to right. then instruments from foh left to right. I don't often set up sub groups for the band because I usually have small groups.

In this way I can control the vocal faders with my left hand and all others with my left. I always use VSL along with the board. I always have my right hand on the mouse.

This seems to work for me but I've had people critisize me for doing it that way. I don't really care if I'm using my board in my usual venues but If I have to mix a band that someone else sets up at a show or festival I would like to know if I should learn to do it a different way.

I don't mind admitting to this forum that I'm a "Goof" LOL. But I don't want to look stupid outside of hear...ha ha...

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Tommy,

If it helps at all, I have always setup my mixes as you described.

I usually create a sub mix for vocals, instruments, and drums.

Michael

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I do the same as Michael...............works for me.
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