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91lespaul
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I'm shocked. CJay is one of the members that stands by Sonar no matter what. The issue is never the program, it has to be either you or your setup. Appearantly, the Sonar team took away a function that CJay and others use on the daily. I'm not relishing in the fact that he's angry, but I am hoping he sees why others are very angry in how Sonar handles issues within the program. Because of their unorthodox handling, we have members of the Sonar forum here, which is a positive. There are things I miss in Sonar, like the little pictures you can place on the mixer tracks, but am content in using Studio One 2.

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Not sure I can say what I'm ACTUALLY thinking here. I don't miss that forum though.
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I miss the Sonar forum less and less. It used to be ultra helpful. I learned some great things such as techniques that weren't specific to Sonar, but it seems that's not happening much anymore.

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CJ will get over it.

X3 is insanely good. It's the most stable version Sonar ever released imho.

And it's been my experience on that user forum that the general vibe there is pretty positive and helpful right now.

Trust me, I've used Sonar since 3.0 and have upgraded every year faithfully. Only to use REAPER or Studio One because the program just did not work for me. Too much crap legacy code junk buried inside. So I'm as surprised and happy as anyone to find that X3 is as good (and sexy) as it is.

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X3 took away some things that were possible before and the developers are calling the changes "as intended" that's why some people are angry.
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FWIW, it looks like two posters agreed with CJ, while the rest are just shrugging and wondering what makes it that important. And after better understanding of what CJ was describing, I don't really get the dire need either... particularly since there other ways to achieve the same end result.

But as was posted above - CJ will get over it.
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zentatonic wrote:CJ will get over it.

X3 is insanely good. It's the most stable version Sonar ever released imho.

And it's been my experience on that user forum that the general vibe there is pretty positive and helpful right now.

Trust me, I've used Sonar since 3.0 and have upgraded every year faithfully. Only to use REAPER or Studio One because the program just did not work for me. Too much crap legacy code junk buried inside. So I'm as surprised and happy as anyone to find that X3 is as good (and sexy) as it is.


Funny, when I brought up the "crap legacy code junk" buried inside Sonar, they banned me. Or maybe it was the quote from the former coder's web site that said he developed PTSD from working there ... I don't know, but be careful zentatonic if you want to stay on their forum.

Anyway, don't take my response personal please. I've seen a couple of posts here today that I wanted to comment on but didn't, but since this is relevant, I'll post here. It's not a dig at anyone, just my personal experience and how I see it, and I'm very happy that some folks are getting along well with X3. I really mean it.

I've been using their software since Cakewalk Pro Audio 9. The most stable release, imho, was 4PE. I can count on one hand the number of crashes we had with it, and they were all caused by us trying to test 192kHz sample rates and our system couldn't handle it. It went downhill from there ... imho. 8.5PE was almost there, but even it had it's problems. V-Vocal and Audio Snap never did work properly before they ended it's life cycle. Audio Snap still isn't, and V-Vocal has been junked.

Seems to me there are more complaints about bugs and workflow problems in X3 than there were for X1 and X2. The difference this time around is Cakewalk has a heavier moderator presence on their forum for more damage control since the Gibson takeover. They've been putting out fires and deleting threads.

The other thing is, I don't know if it's because of their heavier forum presence, or they sent out a warning, or life got in the way and some people simply aren't as active anymore, but the Fanboys have backed way off and don't attack people anywhere near like they used to when people come on the forum and vent. So many times I've seen them poke a snarling dog with a stick and then go crying to the mods that they got bit.

I find it hard to believe that after 10 years, in some cases, of membership on that forum and being a flaming fanboy that they suddenly had a change of heart and are all warm and fuzzy to their fellow man now. I'm leaning toward them being warned in private. But who knows, or cares. The A**hole Volume knob has been turned from 11 down to 3 finally after many years and that's a good thing no matter where the Gain Reduction came from.

As for CJ and the others in that thread stating their discontentment with this new intended behavior, I have about as much sympathy for them as they had for me and others when we begged Cakewalk to put Interleave (Channel Mode in S1) and Phase back on the track header. If people don't understand the importance of checking in Mono throughout their mixing process then maybe they should stick to store bought loops that have already been processed.

Almost all of the bugs I'm reading about on their forum are bugs I've encountered in X1 and X2, so I have no reason to believe that X3 would work any better for me. What I do find interesting is that some of these guys are seeing things supposedly for the first time in X3 that I was seeing since day 1 of this new X series.

One thing that frightened me was, they were encountering a problem in Melodyne and made a comment that they would work with them to get an update out. The last thing we need here is Cakewalk getting involved in anything to do with ARA. For the love of God.
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Bub wrote:
Funny, when I brought up the "crap legacy code junk" buried inside Sonar, they banned me. Or maybe it was the quote from the former coder's web site that said he developed PTSD from working there ... I don't know, but be careful zentatonic if you want to stay on their forum.


I was banned also after I ripped very heavily into how bad their ACT feature was (Circa v 8.0) and their No-Resale policy. The developer (Brandon?) perhaps knew everything I had stated was the absolute truth, it was ass hat.

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I never got banned from there, but I'm plenty pissed at how some of it went down. Anyways, never liked the guy, don't care.
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Btw, the very behavior in X3 CJ is talking about exists in S1 as well (when I saw him complaining about the issue in his last thread S1 immediately came to my mind). The difference is that it has never been considered an issue or inconvenience by S1 users.....except for me perhaps. I actually posted an FR for this before. It's the first request in this thread:
http://forumsarchive.presonus.com/posts/list/35474.page

It's probably easier to see my point by looking at the image below. As you can see, I'm working in a floated Editor, but the MIDI event I'm editing is completely hidden behind the Editor, because S1 doesn't allow me to scroll down the Arrage view any further.

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Jlien X wrote:Btw, the very behavior in X3 CJ is talking about exists in S1 as well (when I saw him complaining about the issue in his last thread S1 immediately came to my mind). The difference is that it has never been considered an issue or inconvenience by S1 users.....except for me perhaps. I actually posted an FR for this before. It's the first request in this thread:
http://forumsarchive.presonus.com/posts/list/35474.page

It's probably easier to see my point by looking at the image below. As you can see, I'm working in a floated Editor, but the MIDI event I'm editing is completely hidden behind the Editor, because S1 doesn't allow me to scroll down the Arrage view any further.



Then don't work in the floating window. If you dock it, it scrolls fine.

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themuzic wrote:
Jlien X wrote:Btw, the very behavior in X3 CJ is talking about exists in S1 as well (when I saw him complaining about the issue in his last thread S1 immediately came to my mind). The difference is that it has never been considered an issue or inconvenience by S1 users.....except for me perhaps. I actually posted an FR for this before. It's the first request in this thread:
http://forumsarchive.presonus.com/posts/list/35474.page

It's probably easier to see my point by looking at the image below. As you can see, I'm working in a floated Editor, but the MIDI event I'm editing is completely hidden behind the Editor, because S1 doesn't allow me to scroll down the Arrage view any further.



Then don't work in the floating window. If you dock it, it scrolls fine.
But as I said in the FR, I find the Track List in the Editor somewhat inconvenient so I want to use the track strips in the Arrange view.

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hibidy wrote:Anyways, never liked the guy, don't care.


He updated his thread last night to say he got a private message that they would change it back. Then he changed the thread again and removed it and edited his original post to a bitch fest and added more complaints about other features they changed.

He was affiliated with Cakewalk at one point as a certified trainer, so if he whines enough, he may get his way, but yeah, to what you said Hibidy. He treats people like total pieces of garbage on the forum and not a word has ever been said to him about it.

Cakewalk loves their fanboy's, no doubt about that. They let them say and do anything, and I mean anything they want and never say a word to them, even when they put their company in jeopardy from their actions.

Like I said before, I have no sympathy for any of the people in that thread, or Cakewalk for that matter.

Oh, and by the way ... please fix the pictures posted in this thread. It's screwing up the text. Remove them or resize them please.

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Bub wrote:
Oh, and by the way ... please fix the pictures posted in this thread. It's screwing up the text. Remove them or resize them please.

That's a forum software issue, sir. I've seen it happen several times here.
And, there's really no point in this thread so I think it can end now.
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Jlien X wrote:
Bub wrote:
Oh, and by the way ... please fix the pictures posted in this thread. It's screwing up the text. Remove them or resize them please.

That's a forum software issue, sir. I've seen it happen several times here.
And, there's really no point in this thread so I think it can end now.


It's a simple common courtesy to fix it so others aren't effected by it, and it's not an unreasonable request. And the fact that you did it in the first place knowing it is a problem here means your trolling and intentionally trying to create problems.

The thread will end naturally as all threads do, not when you say so.
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