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I'm curious if anybody here has any problems with S1 making the proper routing/connections when opening a project using rewire. In 2.5 it would make the proper connections most of the time, so i just got used to it, but since the upgrade no matter which side i open the song in first it just will not connect properly, leaving me to go into each track and set the inputs manually. kind of a buzzkill when i have multiple pieces of kit going into studio one.

Anybody have this problem? could i be missing a setting within one of these two programs maybe?
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anyhoo... i guess nobody here uses Reason. I suppose i'll try giving the Propellerheads forum a shot.
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overcoat: I'm curious if anybody here has any problems with S1 making the proper routing/connections when opening a project using rewire. In 2.5 it would make the proper connections most of the time, so i just got used to it, but since the upgrade no matter which side i open the song in first it just will not connect properly, leaving me to go into each track and set the inputs manually. kind of a buzzkill when i have multiple pieces of kit going into studio one.

Anybody have this problem? could i be missing a setting within one of these two programs maybe?


I haven't experienced any problems as you mention with rewiring Reason. I rewire both programs quite extensively and have not had any problems with the 2.6 upgrade or prior. I am using Reason 6.5, but I don't see there being any difference in the Rewire protocol, so I'll guess the 7 is a non issue.

I'd be glad to help. When you say "no matter which side you open the song in" there is really only one side as Reason must be closed when you open S1 (or any other host DAW). Then open Reason at first through the browser, but once saved to a track, you'll get a dialogue box to open Reason from that prompt. Perhaps you had a second song open of Reason? Just my guess because it's been really reliable.

No problems from songs created with rewiring Reason prior to 2.6, and opening them after the the update as well.
Perhaps you can detail just what's happening a little further.
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Thanks Lokeyfly,

So, lets say i open S1 without a opening an actual song. then i open reason without a song either. If i then open a S1 song that has reason inputs and then open the related reason song, it doesn't rewire itself at all. And what i mean by either way is that if i open the reason song first or the S1 song first it doesnt matter. either way there is no input connection. I always have to set it up manually.

Btw, been using reason since 1, so I'm opening my host first. always. never had a problem with previous versions of S1 or reason rewiring. this is a new one for me.
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Hey overcoat. Thanks for explaining. That is odd. So if you select to open Rewire nothngs happening, where it did in the past. Btw sorry, just that many rewire inquiries, they don't get the host part but you knew that.

Maybe it's worth re installing Reason. It's a fast install, especially if you take out the .rfl sound banks and relocate them. Then return them after the new install.

Actually as a fail safe, I'm starting to import stems of the performance so that any Reason tracks are then audio tracks. It's a backup more than anything. it's a lot more expressive to keep the tracks rewired, so that editing is a breeze, and very dynamic. Isn't Reason with S1 wonderful?
With PT, I had to back up all audio stems from Reason, but with S1, it's so reliable, I forget to, or just get lazy and think there's no need.

Question: Does Reason open up at all when you select to rewire, but you are not getting sound from Reason?
If Reason does open, but no signal, check if channels 1 and 2 are on and you are patched correctly at those points on the Reason audio patchbay. The default is that rewire patch channels 1 and 2 are left and right out of Reason Main Console (as you probably know, so again sorry).

I hard wire each module out of Reason and do not use patch channels 1 & 2. I start at channel 3 and move on from there.
Hey, you've used S1 from the start, so you probably should be telling me all of this.

Let me know how you make out. I believe a re install should work. If not, you're scaring the hell out of me.

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Lokeyfly wrote:Hey overcoat. Thanks for explaining. That is odd. So if you select to open Rewire nothngs happening, where it did in the past. Btw sorry, just that many rewire inquiries, they don't get the host part but you knew that.

Maybe it's worth re installing Reason. It's a fast install, especially if you take out the .rfl sound banks and relocate them. Then return them after the new install.

Actually as a fail safe, I'm starting to import stems of the performance so that any Reason tracks are then audio tracks. It's a backup more than anything. it's a lot more expressive to keep the tracks rewired, so that editing is a breeze, and very dynamic. Isn't Reason with S1 wonderful?
With PT, I had to back up all audio stems from Reason, but with S1, it's so reliable, I forget to, or just get lazy and think there's no need.

Question: Does Reason open up at all when you select to rewire, but you are not getting sound from Reason?
If Reason does open, but no signal, check if channels 1 and 2 are on and you are patched correctly at those points on the Reason audio patchbay. The default is that rewire patch channels 1 and 2 are left and right out of Reason Main Console (as you probably know, so again sorry).

I hard wire each module out of Reason and do not use patch channels 1 & 2. I start at channel 3 and move on from there.
Hey, you've used S1 from the start, so you probably should be telling me all of this.

Let me know how you make out. I believe a re install should work. If not, you're scaring the hell out of me.






It's not a matter of Reason not working or not getting any sound. I'm only talking about how when i open a song in S1 that has Reason outputs It doesn't make the corresponding connections automatically when i open up the reason song. I have to make these connections manually every time.

...And yes!, i do love S1 and Reason, i just don't love having to manually make all the connections. sometimes i forget which track is supposed to go to what instrument in the reason rack. I should probably be jotting down that kind of info on a notepad somewhere but i don't
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Manually connect every time. I'd forget as well. That is a serious condition and noting those connections will probably only lead to frustration.I can't figure it out. If you are saving to both program songs, then there should be no issues. Sorry I can't offer any suggestions other than a re install. Have you attempted that? Also, have you tried any other rewire capable programs to perhaps isolate the problem? Finally, try contacting Presonus for help. I'm out of bullets my friend.

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overcoat wrote: It's not a matter of Reason not working or not getting any sound. I'm only talking about how when i open a song in S1 that has Reason outputs It doesn't make the corresponding connections automatically when i open up the reason song. I have to make these connections manually every time.

If you mean manually connect every time you start a new song, then you could create a template where you're connections of most used Reason items would be already patched. Then when a new song has progressed to the point that you want to save it and break away from the template, save in a new song folder, which will group all of your files into a new song folder.

From your past info though you are having to re connect Reason to rewire, and I just don't have that occurring. When I save both programs song files. Then close Reason properly first. Then in opening S1, yes, I have to open Reason via Rewire, but since I have Reason open to the last saved song, it opens and every channel is set as I left them.

Manually connect each time is a bummer and not sure why that's occurring. It's been a while since you posted this, so just answering. Did you get this sorted out?
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haha... thanks for checking up! I think what may have been happening is that i think when i closed a song that was rewired to reason I would shut down reason first, then when i would close the song in studio one it would ask me if i wanted to save any changes made to S1. well, by default i always would just select Yes. that seemed to be my problem. saving a new song file with no connections to reason since it had already shut down. It seems a little silly to me that that happens but at least i know how to remedy it now. ...and if i forget to shut down properly i have to manually connect again.

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Ran into these problems myself recently. :/ Also just in case you run into the problem again, here is a good sequence for opening the projects and having them link automatically.

Start Studio1
Start Reason
Open Song in Reason
Open Song in Studio1
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It sounds to me like the issue is possibly how you're opening up your workstations.

I always open Reason after I open an S1 song.. soi i've never noticed this issue. I'll see if I can take a look at it closely tonight... I haven't used Reason in quite a while now ... but I have the Reason 7 update
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overcoat wrote:. saving a new song file with no connections to reason since it had already shut down. It seems a little silly to me that that happens but at least i know how to remedy it now. ...and if i forget to shut down properly i have to manually connect again.

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Don't worry. I did that, too and was frustrated.

By the way since Studio One does not offer Rewire stereo chanels beside out 1+2 I tend to midi sequence in Studio One and render the Rewire midi/instrument tracks to audio tracks.

By that you have seperate Reason instruments without the hassle of patching around. And it saves CPU.
 
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