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drummerboy71
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Hi,

Let me say that I am a very happy user from the Netherlands of the 16.4.2. I managed to record a capture recording to ch 178 to create a stereo mixdown. But the level of the mixdown is significant lower than the individual channels. Any one any idea what goes wrong? Thanks in advance for your replies.
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I know, this sounds weird, but is your 2trackIn firewire return turned up enough...? Could be the simple solution...

And, when you do the mix-down, your channel faders have to be quite high - otherwise channel 17 and 18 will be too low. Don't know why, but that's my experience...

Happy mixing from Denmark


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laumann wrote:I know, this sounds weird, but is your 2trackIn firewire return turned up enough...? Could be the simple solution...

And, when you do the mix-down, your channel faders have to be quite high - otherwise channel 17 and 18 will be too low. Don't know why, but that's my experience...

Happy mixing from Denmark




Thanks for your reply, but maybe I look very stupid, but how do I turn up the 2 track FireWire return?
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Hi,
The 2-Track playback level is set by the 2-Track in pot (straight up from the Sub 2 fader).

To avoid confusion: When you say 'significant lower' are you only referring to the playback level or also to the actual track 17/18 recording level in Capture?

That recording level depends on a couple of things:
- which source did you use for those tracks? (default is Main)
- what did the relevant output meters show when you did the mix? (e.g. the Main output meters)

So it's important to note that the recording level from Main is what you see on the Main output meters. When you also run speakers from Main during the recording you may have to turn down the trim on the back of the mixer so you can bring up the main fader for the recording without blowing off your ears.

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SwitchBack wrote:Hi,
The 2-Track playback level is set by the 2-Track in pot (straight up from the Sub 2 fader).

To avoid confusion: When you say 'significant lower' are you only referring to the playback level or also to the actual track 17/18 recording level in Capture?

That recording level depends on a couple of things:
- which source did you use for those tracks? (default is Main)
- what did the relevant output meters show when you did the mix? (e.g. the Main output meters)

So it's important to note that the recording level from Main is what you see on the Main output meters. When you also run speakers from Main during the recording you may have to turn down the trim on the back of the mixer so you can bring up the main fader for the recording without blowing off your ears.

Succes


Thanks for replying.

When I record ch 17&18, the main output meters on the computer are quite high (I pull out the speakers connected to the main output... ) When I then export ch17&18 to a .wav file, this wav file is from a overall volume perspective very low......
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If you're ready for a looong read you can work your way through this.

In short: There's something funny going on with the gain structure inside the SL mixers. It's not disastrous but it could be better. And I think it has something to do with the SL's internal 32-bit FP vs. all A/D and D/A being 24-bit. I'm very very curious if the Gen 2 SLs are different in this respect. All the "AI only" apps are hinting in that direction…

As for your 17/18 recording: Don't worry too much about low levels. All the bits are there so noise-wise everything is OK. Simply boost the level in whatever DAW you are using (e.g. Studio One).
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SwitchBack wrote:If you're ready for a looong read you can work your way through this.

In short: There's something funny going on with the gain structure inside the SL mixers. It's not disastrous but it could be better. And I think it has something to do with the SL's internal 32-bit FP vs. all A/D and D/A being 24-bit. I'm very very curious if the Gen 2 SLs are different in this respect. All the "AI only" apps are hinting in that direction…

As for your 17/18 recording: Don't worry too much about low levels. All the bits are there so noise-wise everything is OK. Simply boost the level in whatever DAW you are using (e.g. Studio One).


Thanks again.

I got it a little better with boosting the master of the main out. Next is indeed loading the track into Studio one. But this mixdown of ch17&18 could be a really nice funtion of quick creating a nice stereo track of a live performance
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I have ran test signals and played refernce CDs thru the 2 Track In and I can confirm the master bus recorded levels are less than the main bus with all the tracks playing.

I don't have anything turned on the mains bus. I had to import the track into Studio One and crank the input of the limiter by 5dB to get the levels near where they should be. Not an ideal workflow.

What am I doing wrong? Anybody doing their mixdowns in Capture?

Thanks,
Carl
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