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Andre Lower
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Hello there. i have searched older posts to try and find an answer to this, but did not quite find it.

Let me describe what is happening when I try using Studio One Artist to record audio: I have no interest in using loop recording. I record several, subsequent short sections of audio - which I learned are referred to as "events" in Studio One's exclusive lingo - and then try to eliminate the imperfect bits. The target is to finally consolidate the various edited "events" into one single, continuous audio track. So far, all I got is frustration.

For starters, I record "event 1" and "event 2", which I intend to be subsequent parts in my planned consolidated, continuous track. The last portion of "event 1" has a glitch that I want to erase before joining "event 1" and "event 2" together. I use the little knife tool to slice apart the glitch on "event 1" and erase (i.e. delete) it. All seems fine, until I try to consolidate "event 1" and "event 2" by highlighting both of them and clicking "G" to merge. The unwanted glitch of the end of "event 1" (which I believed I had deleted, magically reappears! Worse yet, there is no way I can delete it... I can see it was never deleted because when I grab the edge of my edited "event1" rectangle and slide it towards where the glitch originally was, it is still there !

I never realized how essential the ability to destructively edit audio was, until now. All in all, my current inability to erase *for good* unwanted portions of my recordings is turning every recording I do into a fruitless waste of time... Perhaps there is some hidden setting I am neglecting or something like that. It is hard to believe that someone would intentionally make destructive editing impossible.

Other considerations:

- I wonder if Merging (G) is the proper way of doing what I want to do once I have a finalized series of "events" that I want to piece together...In other words, how to consolidate audio events into one single, continuous event?

- Is there an actual meaning to those tiny symbols at the corner of every audio event rectangle? You know, sometimes hey look like a chain, sometimes they look like something else, and sometimes they are inexistent...


If anyone have answers to these, please share.

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Tacman7
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I know it's tricky and that you can't edit a loop maybe?

I believe this bouncing is a way to make pieces into a new file.

I'm not for sure myself as I'm still getting the hang of it.

I used to highlight a section of an audio clip in cubase like a plosive at the start of a word and use the fade in command or fade out at the end of a word. Editing is clip based here so I would have to chop it up in pieces instead of selecting it then do my processes to the clips.

Unless I'm wrong
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rluk
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i cant seem to be able to reproduce this. No matter if I use split tool, range tool or just drag the edges to make edits, both Merge events (G) and Bounce Selection (ctrl+b) merge the events and keep my edits.
Andre Lower
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You mean that when you cut an unwanted portion from your event and delete it, it is actually deleted? And then when you merge it the deleted part does not come back like a plague?

Oh boy, I am so envious... I wonder if this could be a bug in my installation or something like that. It is too bad to be "normal".

Let's wait and see if someone else contributes a possible hint.
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It is not deleted when I delete it, i can get it back with dragging the edge, but after ja merge or bounce it, it is gone.
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This behavior does seem a little odd. If you merge two edited events, the resulting event should only contain the edited parts.

But apart from that let me ask you what you don't want to hear.

Why not use loop recording? The comping in S1 is really quite nice.
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Andre Lower
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Because I came to loathe the manual language... the manual is absurdly lacking in definitions, arrogantly assuming that everyone must know what "comping", "layers" and such terms mean in the rather specific context of this software. Only serves to alienate and frustrate those who could potentially become enthusiastic users/supporters.

Sorry for the rant, but imagine if important parts of the manual were written in Ancient Greek for you...

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I understand your loathing, but in the long run it's definitively worth to learn this language. Most of it is not S1 specific, but valid for most DAWs. I'm not necessarily a big fan of reading manuals endlessly as sometimes interesting things happen when you do things differently than it was actually meant to be used. But getting to know basic audio-lingo is definitively helpful for a beginner.

Concerning your actual question, have a look at this tutorial:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYh9EoeExtg

In S1 2.5 comping has been improved and it behaves slightly different when selecting parts from layers, but the basic idea stayed the same. Hope this helps.
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I've had some funky things happen when trying to Merge. it usually doesn't do what I want.

Try "Bounce" first. After you bounce... then try the merge. Or better yet... just Export.

Yeah.. forget merging all together. just export the track once it sounds how you want it. That way, you know the renedered waveform will be exactly what you want.


Andre Lower wrote:Because I came to loathe the manual language... the manual is absurdly lacking in definitions, arrogantly assuming that everyone must know what "comping", "layers" and such terms mean in the rather specific context of this software. Only serves to alienate and frustrate those who could potentially become enthusiastic users/supporters.

Sorry for the rant, but imagine if important parts of the manual were written in Ancient Greek for you...


If I were reading a manual about how to build the Roman Colusieum, I would expect it to be written in Laten
I understand your frustration but... it's a standard that recording software manuals assume you know a little bit about recording to understand the features. It's your job as a consumer to get up to speed with the terms in the manual... it's not the company's job to dumb down the manual. I respectfully disagree with your statements here
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Yep, Merge and Bounce were doing the same to me last night as the OP stated.
And what was weird is that I have had them work correctly in the past.
I would bet it's a setting somewhere I've since changed.

"Export" seems like a solid way around it altogether... I'll try it.

And yes I agree, much of the manuals' terminology is not S1P but DAW specific. I got into recording when AIO's [I had a TASCAM 788] started replacing multi-track cassette systems.

I enjoy learning new techniques and the language to get and (hopefully) stay current. I would not want any company to dumb-down their manuals.

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