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paulsven
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For reasons of compatibility with some clients and years of sessions I spent the money to upgrade ProTools 10 to 11. Although none of my favorite plugins work with AAX yet I was hopeful that the host-based PT 11 would sound better than 10.
I first had to burn my complimentary service coupon just to get them to post Ilko licenses long after I activated and registered the software.

I opened up an upbeat acoustic folk group session session and had a listen. No plugins 44.1/24 raw tracks. It sounded good. I listened to each track extensively. - 2 Martins, a Tenor guitar, open back banjo, acoustic bass and three vocal tracks. After an hour of listening I dropped the same exact tracks into a studio one session. No plugs.

Everything was more open, the bass was punchier, guitars more detailed and vocals somehow more real. I don't know how to further describe my assessment of the sonic distinctions other than to say I've been recording since the 70s and trust what I hear.

Once again, based on my completely subjective unscientific test, Studio One just sounds better.
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My crystal ball says that won't end well.
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I think all DAWs sound equally, the only difference is interface and workflow. And it is why we love s1
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Own PT 10 & am trying out PT 11. Nothing sounds any different to me, tbh. Work flow is the same as PT's always been as far as I can see. 64-bit & offline bounce is nice, but S1 and many others have had both for a while now.

I still like the organ & the mini grand that comes in PT but I don't need to spend 300 bucks to get what i already have lol.

Will continue writing in Logic, using PT when I need the organ tone I referred to earlier & do all my tracking/mixing/mastering in S1.
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One side of me loves comments like this, especially when Studio One comes out the victor.

The other side of me realizes that we rely heavily on our EYES to HEAR things. The same way that if you close your eyes and put a piece of candy in your mouth, it's very difficulyt to guess what the flavor is... then, when you open your eyes and look at the wrapper.. your taste buds magically confirm that flavor. The same is with audio... your eyes play a huge role in the words you hear... and studies back that up. So yeah.... I think S1's GUI is more open lol, and of course i'm not saying you're crazy or you're hearing things.. bbuuutttt... (without any knowledge of what's under the hood in S1)... i think it's placebo.

Just my humble educated opinion. But... I do think the placebo effect will help your final mix by influencing your decisions! Perhaps you'll compress someting else b/c it didn't really need to be compressed and it'll sound even better now!
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Dmitriy_m2m wrote:I think all DAWs sound equally, the only difference is interface and workflow. And it is why we love s1
PT's interface looks a lot nicer to me...
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The other side of me realizes that we rely heavily on our EYES to HEAR things.


When you've turned all your .wavs into solid blocks in order to win the loudness wars
ears simply become redundant.

PT's interface looks a lot nicer to me...


And, as we all know, it's not how you sound....it's how you look....and dahling you look mahvalous!!

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Jlien X wrote:
Dmitriy_m2m wrote:I think all DAWs sound equally, the only difference is interface and workflow. And it is why we love s1
PT's interface looks a lot nicer to me...

We are talking about sound, aren't we? But I agree, I like pt's colors, especially event colors. But I dislike it's workflow at all
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paulsven
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DAWs all sound different. The way they crunch numbers to sum and modify data affects the way the audio comes out - at least on a decent converter. I own a copy of the Harrison MixBus DAW which is totally non-applicable for me since it has no MIDI or control surface interface, but DAMN it sounds good. I worked on a Harrison 3232 for years and their DAW sounds very much like a Harrison.

There's a noticeable and significant sonic difference between PT10 and Studio One Pro. The difference to me is less between 11 and S1. Just my opinion and as they say - everybody has one. I'm also perfectly willing to be having auditory hallucinations brought on by confirmation bias. Bottom line is I love S1 and was hoping for more from PT. The whole AAX plugin thing is currently quite annoying.

I used to be the sales rep for a system called ProDisc back in the early 90s. They were bought by Otari eventually, but retained the same engineers. At that time there were several DAWs available - Synclavier, Waveframe, Sonic Solutions, DAR, ProDisc, and of course ProTools. We would all show up at events where we had a chance to do our "dog and pony show" with our machines. They all did things well, and they all failed miserably at certain things. The one thing we could all count on however, is that the ProTools system would crash and burn during the demo. Despite that they kept coming back. Today all the other systems from those days are gone (My Otari system in 8 track cost over $50,000). ProTools remains. I have a lot of respect for their tenacity and pioneering efforts. All current DAWs stand on the shoulders of those guys who kept coming back for more and more abuse, and who eventually prevailed (with a lot of help and financing from Avid).

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paulsven wrote: I own a copy of the Harrison MixBus DAW which is totally non-applicable for me since it has no MIDI or control surface interface, but DAMN it sounds good. I worked on a Harrison 3232 for years and their DAW sounds very much like a Harrison.


Off topic, but if you're on OSX it's not difficult to route S1 into Mixbus through Jack for mixes. If you're into that sort of thing.
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hibidy
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Oh man, please help me from just reliving this topic. Funny though that the sound police haven't swooped in yet with their chants of "NULL, NULL, NULL"

I'm a convert btw, I believe that other than pan laws, they all sound the same. I guess I'm part of the sonic police
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Jlien X
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Dmitriy_m2m wrote:
Jlien X wrote:
Dmitriy_m2m wrote:I think all DAWs sound equally, the only difference is interface and workflow. And it is why we love s1
PT's interface looks a lot nicer to me...

We are talking about sound, aren't we? But I agree, I like pt's colors, especially event colors. But I dislike it's workflow at all
Just wanted to make sure we love S1 because of the workflow, not because of the other thing (Well, not necessarily. Tastes differ)
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hibidy wrote:Oh man, please help me from just reliving this topic. Funny though that the sound police haven't swooped in yet with their chants of "NULL, NULL, NULL"

I'm a convert btw, I believe that other than pan laws, they all sound the same. I guess I'm part of the sonic police


Lol. The "sounds better" threads often seem to quickly devolve into religion. This one seems to be remaining somewhat reasonably rational with a good collection of necessary caveats.

It usually goes... "They sound different and if you say otherwise you're an idiot! And no, I've never blind tested any of it, I don't need to, so stop arguing with me, I'm right!"

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hibidy
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I dunno, I could swear things sound better in studio one than live, you know that's just ridiculous.
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jmjlouis
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DAWs sound different. They do.
I did a quick test a few years ago : I loaded the same sounds in several DAWs and compared the bounced mixes using phase inversion. There was a difference between mixes.
The difference increased as I set random fader levels to the tracks (using the same values accross DAWs, obviously).
It increased yet again as I used a few identical plug-ins on several tracks.
DAWs sound different. They do.
 
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