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jBranam
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this is just a generic drum track... nothing special. but i am working on cleaning up the frequencies and trying to get it as thin as possible on the spectrum. how does it sound to you guys.... myself i am kinda happy with the progress. has nice pop on the snare and thin sizzle on the cymbals with a decent thump on the kick.... with a lot of extra frequencies killed and others compressed. tell me what your ears hear...

https://soundcloud.com/jaybranam/untitled

thanks

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the snare has a lovely bite but the bass drum is not as crisp... but i can't seem to get them both right at the same time. maybe i should send each drum to track. this is all on one track and worked from there. and btw... i am no drummer. lol

what i am usin is addictive drums and waves v8 classic collection plugs jbridged in S1.

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yeah separate the tracks and look at what each track uses for freq range from there you'll get the separation you want
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thnx incognto... i know i can go that route and i could tighten up the bass drum some more... but i am not really wanting to add 8-10 more tracks. the stuff i like to produce has quite a few tracks and most is midi with generators so adding more tracks to the process adds to the demand. i try to use the audio wave convert as much as possible but i tend to only convert it to wave form after i get it where i want it. the reason i use so many tracks is that i do like a midi thing in place of where the actual recorded guitar goes as a place holder and build around the 'placeholders' to keep track in my head what i am doing. i am not an 'accomplished' musician so to speak... i play by ear and in my head... all parts play at the same time. i cannot isolate single parts so much in there... the isolated parts are worked out on paper (tracks) once they are down. if that makes any sense...

btw... you did not say how it sounds to you. is the bass too thick or fat for your ears? is the snare too biting... too much sizzle on the cymbals? i know my ears are the only one that matters in the end but i do like feedback to acknowledge where my ears are. kinda a comparison thing. not seeking a pat on the ass.... i want honest opinions... good and bad.
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as far as the sound goes it's good .
But on the third listen to me it has an electronic feel to it. I think as all the elements are going thru the same fx chain your snare/ Hats don't get the space they need to breath.. Try just separating those and then bringing them all back together thru a drum buss for a final glue ..


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yeah i have listened to it over and over... the snare seems more natural but the cymbals and bass are kinda electronic and yes on seperate tracks you can adjust the different placements in the room as well as diff reverbs to give it different 'breathes'. i guess i will HAVE to go with the seperate tracks. just put a bit more work into it because i am finding my short route has it's downfalls. since i am not really a drummer by nature i have not been putting in the time on it. drums have been my BIGGEST placeholder... lol

thank you for you opinion man! as for others... do not worry about hurting my feelings. if i ask for your opinion feelings are not involved. now if you just want to be mean... that is another story. lol but i have yet to see anyone mean on these forums... well... i have heard stories of 'godparticle'

P.S. as for electronic 'feel'... it is not a piece. it is four of the same pieces (midi) together with no humanizing so it is gonna be mechanical feeling. i just threw it up and focused on the sound not the beat... i could care less of the beat with what i was focusing on at this time.

the MAIN thing i focused on was thinning out the frequencies so as to clear up room in the auditory "image" so i can put more parts in so it is not so 'cluttered' in the virtual room.

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excuse me if my logic seems backwards or how i visualize things in my head. trust me... i am not the norm!
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I am a bit confused here. What is the goal?

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in our imaginary rooms our ears create... there is only so many frequencies our ears can hear (20 Hz to 20,000 Hz) so there is only so much room to build in. like if you play bass guitar, piano and drums all at the same time... their core frequencies (what makes a kick drum sound like a kick drum in our ears) gets bled into by the other instruments. in other words... the bass guitar and and low register of the piano along with the kick drum are all sounding off in the same section of frequencies. they are fighting for space. if you take like the drums and only play the core frequencies that the drums need and filter out the extra... it makes room in that frequency range for say the piano to sound out. basically it is lying to the ears making them think there is more room than you actually have in our imagined auditory space between our ears. by cancelling out frequencies of the individual instruments... it creates more 'open' square footage our ears perceive to be there. the intent is to be able to add more parts or more instruments without it getting congested. you get more distinct parts...

sorry i am not more technical. maybe some of the pros here can say it the way it should be stated.

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Okey, I guess I m a bit oldschool here, to me it makes more sense to have the other intruments playing too and the carve out space for them
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right! you do this for all instruments... not just the drums. i was working just on the drums because... not being a drummer... i was trying to cram all the drums and cymbals on one track to save time and effort. the problem i face is... doing that... i can't seem to get the kick or bass drum crisp like i want. if i do... then i start taking away from from the snare's bite. i am starting to see i am gonna have to isolate each of the drums and cymbals to their own track and adjust.

there is a great pic of the frequencies somewhere on the forums on what each type of instrument requires. if i can find a link i will post it if you want.

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understand i am an oldschool musician trying to learn production... lol although i am an old fart... i am a noob when it comes to this.
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