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TheNavigator
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Does anybody know how to create this fat "wall of sound" Oasis have in "Don't look back in anger"?

I don't know if I'm allowed to post Youtube links (Copyright, as usual).
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Sure, millions of dollars worth of recording equipment and many years of experience using it.
There is no "magic wand" VST plugin that will instantly create this "fat wall of sound" for you.
Sally's just going to have to wait!! That being said here's an article on the
making of "Don't Look Back In Anger". Perhaps you can get a few useful hints from it:

http://www.oasis-recordinginfo.co.uk/?page_id=284

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Due to the unecessary arrogance, self-evasive posturing, completely delusional false sense of importance, overly inflated egos & disturbing mental status of the main two brothers in that band, I am unwilling and completely unable to even listen to or acknowledge any and all works of theirs.

Their answer when asked, "When will your fans stop listening to you?" was "Not until we say they can".

Well, I'll go one better!

I never even started listening in the first place.

Couldn't name one song of theirs - couldn't care less!

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Due to the unecessary arrogance, self-evasive posturing, completely delusional false sense of importance, overly inflated egos & disturbing mental status of the main two brothers in that band, I am unwilling and completely unable to even listen to or acknowledge any and all works of theirs.


You're talking about the Kinks right? Or maybe the Black Crowes?

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Actually I wanted to know something else here...

I loaded different kits into BFD2 and used a lot of reverb and compression but the sound was either totally "hollow" or it simply was not as fat and upfront as I wanted it.

I'm not asking about gear - I just wish someone could tell me the basic steps to create a very, very dense, upfront "wall" in a sequencer, something I can use and start with.
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Google is your friend:

http://www.audio-production-tips.com/mixing-drums.html

This article was written about mixing real drums but these techniques can be applied to sampled drums as well.

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Thank you very much, I'll study this.
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One of the things you will want to do is use an FX Bus for the drums for effects like reverb and delay, so that will let you use the FX fader to adjust how much of the effect is applied. That will also let you hear the unprocessed track as well, so you can dial in the sound that way. When you do that, place the reverb on the insert of the FX track, and set the mix to 100% on the verb, then use the fader to adjust.

Reverb and delays can tend to muddy a sound a little, as well as lessen the original attack from the drum track. This way will give you clarity, as well as opening up the sound through the effect.
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Hi, I just had a quick listen to the song.
The drums sound very dry and dont take much space.
Not very much bass going on.
The vocals are louder than the rest and has big reverb/delay.
Then to the sides are different dry distorted guitars, strings and organ. They have to be EQ-ed to fit in and use highpass filters on them 100-200 Hz to avoid mud.
You should probably start making a good vocal sound.
Then start mixing bass, drums and vocal, and add the rest to taste. Takes a lot of practice.

Just my thoughts.
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TheNavigator wrote:
I'm not asking about gear - I just wish someone could tell me the basic steps to create a very, very dense, upfront "wall" in a sequencer, something I can use and start with.


There's a lot going on in that tune. "Wall of Sound" would not be how I would describe it in it's entirety. Very good use of space for sure. Everything in it's place, great depth of field...... dynamics from start to finish.

I don't think I'd have taken the same approach, but I don't want to be a producer, or mix engineer, or anything like that.

But yeah, if you can find an interview with the producer, or the mix engineer who did that, that would be an interesting read.
 
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