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snapnt
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This IS going to be a problem..... New Laptops with a firewire port are now non-existent. The only option (I can find) is a laptop with a card slot and then buy a card based firewire adapter... The only laptops with the card slot are business class machines (expensive).. and then you also need to buy the card.
This (moronic) change by ALL the laptop manufacturers has basically rendered the whole studio-live (and a lot of other music equipment) obsolete, I'm hoping that Presonis is working on a solution here . and I'm hoping it will be able to be retroactively installed in existing units. (would be nice if they could figure out a way to communicate via an ethernet port.... I don't think THATS going away for awhile!)
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Firewire is alive in laptops. Look at adkproaudio, studiocat, or Rain.
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And I believe Lenovo has them as well in business class. And Mac of course. A Thunderbolt card seems to be the way forward for many.

Take a look at the new 32.4.2 AI board coming out soon. That may answer your questions.

A built-in 48x34 FireWire S800 interface is standard equipment but Thunderbolt and Ethernet (Dante) cards are expected by the end of 2013. A dedicated USB 2 port and included Wi-Fi LAN adapter lets you control the mixer wirelessly—even without a Mac® or Windows® PC.

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Yea I think your store bought off the shelf PC laptops with firewire is pretty much over with and have to buy DAW type of PC laptop for firewire interfacing.

As mentioned Presonus is going with Dante networking and Thunderbolt for their future interfacing.
Also you can bet when Thunderbolt becomes affordable for global masses firewire will be like USB 1 is old ancient technology.

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twostone wrote:Yea I think your store bought off the shelf PC laptops with firewire is pretty much over with and have to buy DAW type of PC laptop for firewire interfacing.

As mentioned Presonus is going with Dante networking and Thunderbolt for their future interfacing.
Also you can bet when Thunderbolt becomes affordable for global masses firewire will be like USB 1 a old ancient technology.
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Are there not Thunderbolt to Firewire adapters/converters out there? Maybe not yet?
Far to much Firewire equipment out there to be ignored IMO.
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bredo wrote:Are there not Thunderbolt to Firewire adapters/converters out there? Maybe not yet?
Far to much Firewire equipment out there to be ignored IMO.


There are, and quite a few users are reporting success with them. The above posts are correct. Check manufacturer sites for small business machines and you will find expresscard a plenty over there.
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bredo wrote:Are there not Thunderbolt to Firewire adapters/converters out there? Maybe not yet?
Far to much Firewire equipment out there to be ignored IMO.


Oh I agree firewire won't be ignored but you can bet your bottom dollar it will lose it's appeal when Thunderbolt becomes affordable to the global masses for it's lightning speed and low latency interfacing just like when I drove into computer audio in the 90s with PCIE pro soundcards used to be state of the art technolgy now there's no appeal for it and some what old and outdated because of the all in one type of interface like with todays computer audio interfaces.
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For the record the thunderbolt to firewire adapters actually make the whole firewire interface work BETTER and more trouble free. I liken it to reversing a funnel Firewire into the small end and then the restriction ends...
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I did check with Rain..... no firewire on their current laptops and specs show no cardbuss slot either. Thunderbolt works (I'm told) because the cable is active (processors on each end of the cable). To me this sounds 1, expensive and 2, more to go wrong.
I'm going the rack/server route. Plenty of firewire cards out there (for now). Since everything in the %^^#@&* laptop is "OEM" (read this as "we don't stock parts for "old" machines... note: old machine means anything out of warranty)...
I'm done with expensive laptops... (they are all just damn toasters... when they quit... they are throwaways)
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Re: Dante.. (thanks for the info)... Now thats an idea I can support (and understand)... Looks like it should do everything needed in audio for the next 100 years or so (now if we can just get Presonus to retrofit these into our existing units at some point)....
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snapnt wrote:Re: Dante.. (thanks for the info)... Now thats an idea I can support (and understand)... Looks like it should do everything needed in audio for the next 100 years or so (now if we can just get Presonus to retrofit these into our existing units at some point)....



You might like this product if you want ethernet http://us.focusrite.com/ethernet-audio-interfaces/rednet-1

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Also Audio Rail with Digmax 8 is also another option for ethernet since I won't be buying a 32AI because it way to big for my needs.
http://www.audiorail.com/

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4 pin firewire is about useless anyway. its way to fragile to use in a live enviroment. the 6 pin version is probably more stable physically than 4 pin but most laptops come with 4 pin only. It really doesnt matter much anyway because I have horrible luck with capture with all its drop outs and freezind up anyway. even the new capture suffers from the old bugs of freezing up.
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FallenRock wrote:4 pin firewire is about useless anyway. its way to fragile to use in a live enviroment. the 6 pin version is probably more stable physically than 4 pin but most laptops come with 4 pin only. It really doesnt matter much anyway because I have horrible luck with capture with all its drop outs and freezind up anyway. even the new capture suffers from the old bugs of freezing up.


4 pin just means it wont bus power to firewire device that require power.

 
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