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I have a question I've never seen answered anywhere. I've been wanting to get in-ears to help stop any further hearing loss and to get a better idea of the overall sound without blasting my ears. I've been holding off because none of the other band members seem to want to spend the money for their own. So my question is this: Would it still benefit me to get a set of in-ears for me even with the other 4 people using wedges and generally being too loud?
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Absolutely! With good in-ear monitors you will actually be blocking outside noise. That means that even though the outside of your skull is being bombarded with your bandmates 115dB monitors, you can have a semi-sane 95dB's in your in-ears and be able to hear your mix. There's the added benefit of less stage noise because you'll be using one wedge less on stage.
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I agree with Josjor. I run a rig that has 5 wedges on separate mixes and 4 mono IEMs or two Stereo IEMs. Since I run for a lot of different bands as needed, having the IEMs allows me to put any comfortable member of a band on IEMs and still offer monitor mixes. Typically it's the drummer if anyone but occasionally you get the guitarist or vocalist who has worked with them before and even carries their own set of buds.

Biggest suggestion I have though... If you get a run of the mill IEM and use the buds that come with, you may not be 100% happy. You may have to get higher quality buds and ones that boast a larger noise reduction. The solutions are out there
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In for an alternative? If hearing protection is the main reason for going in-ear then custom made ear plugs (like these) might be a better investment. In-ears can be disastrous for your hearing too, especially if you feel you have to combat stage levels.
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The combinations of both are not unheard of and not a bad idea either.

MAny of the touring groups are using both for the sake of the times when one or more band members needs to pop an IEM out of their ear to hear the rest of the band. Without the wedges there's nothing to hear and it is difficult to sync everything.

Pay attention to your levels and use the ears. But remember that with wedges on the stage, feedback can and will still happen so make sure you have a limiter on your IEM rig. Or you'll regret it.
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Yes, make sure your IE monitor has a limiter. Otherwise you can damage your ears more than you could with wedges.

The combination IE & wedges is not uncommon. The strangest thing ever happened to me was a band who wanted IE and wedges for all band members and they all used only one earplug of the IE...
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I have seen that plenty of times.. I have also seen plenty of every other possibility, I guess it all depends on the users. What surprises me is that no IEM manufacturer adds a personal monitor (mic) that can be blended with the incoming signal so that when you DO wear both ears, you can hear what's going on around you.

Some of the more experienced IEM users I have seen generally like to place a couple of omni mics on stage they can blend in with the monitor send so they can hear what's going on as if they were not wearing ears...but hearing the stage wash and audience.
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All very good points. Thanks!
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Gadget, Ultimate Ears has a set that has an "Ambience" hole in the buds. They are only offered in the custom molds. My son wears in ears (both ears drummer) from them custom molded and loves it. I usually just set up 2 mics on the sides of the stage that are brought up in between songs for his ambience.
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So what IEMs are you guys liking?
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I have two main bands (and a ton of subbing). One of these bands is a big band with up to 16 musicians on stage. Since I run sound for this band, I have the singer, drummer, keyboard player and myself on IEMs. The guitarist doesn't use them and carries an amp. The brass love it because we've managed to get rid of 4 monitors on stage and a bass amp so we are not blasting them.

With my other band, a rock band, the singer and myself wear in ears (except the singer only wears one earpiece - despite my warnings that it might be dangerous).

For in ears I have the 1964 Quads. I received them at the end of 2012 and at the time they were probably the best bang for the buck - things might have changed. I don't have anything to compare them to but I'm pleased with them.

Going IEM might take a while to adjust to but after a while it becomes natural. I had a gig yesterday in the mother of all echo chambers of a room and whilst the rest of the guys were struggling with reverberation I had a great sound right in my ears.
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I felt weird at first when i bought my iems, but getting stuck next to the cymbals with animal knocking hell out of them is no longer a problem, alas far too late for me, tinitus and hearing loss are already making life a bit hard,

dont hesitate, get this sorted now!!

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Thanks for the tips. I have heard good things about Ultimate Ears and will likely go that route when I pull the trigger.

I was hoping for some recommendations on the wireless IEM systems themselves. $1,000 ballpark.
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You could save yourself some cash by thinking out the system.

How many people in your band actually move while playing? The drummer stays put so he doesn't need wireless. If ou have a keyboard player you can go wired for him as well. Bass players are usually pretty stagnant, etc

The idea here is you only need to be wireless for the folks that need to move.

And I like the Westone for in ears. And I keep a set of Philips from Walmart as spares (was carrying them the other night) they're surprisingly good for the price.
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Right now I'm just thinking of myself. That's why I started this thread about mixing wedges and IEMs. The others may be too old to change.
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