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DJIceman97
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Finances are finally together that I'm about to purchase my new system, just looking for some insight...

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Mixer: Presonus 24.4.2 (currently have, thinking about upgrading to a 32.4.2AI) Of course, everyone here hates that choice right? Lol
Front Of House: 4 QSC KW153 three-way powered speakers over 4 QSC KW181 18" powered subwoofers
Monitors: EV LiveX powered monitors; 4 ELX112P 12" two way, 2 ELX115P 15" two-way, & 2 ELX118P 18" sub (already own, and they will be used for smaller shows where the QSC's are not necessary)
Cables: EWI Starline mic cables & EWI reel stage snake
Mics: 4 Shure Beta 58A wired mics, 8 Shure SM57 instrument mics (already own 3), 2 Sennheiser e609 guitar mics, & 1 AKG D112 bass mic; also looking at 4 of the Line6 XD-V75 wireless handheld microphones (will also purchase one or two headset or lavaliers for when necessary)
Mic Stands: 12 K&M tall mic stands + 8 K&M short mic stands
Cases: All EWI C-series rolling trunks, with EWI mic and stand cases

Lighting
Trussing: American DJ Light Bridge One system with extra truss
PAR Cans: 24 American DJ Mega QA PAR38 LED cans + 8 MCM Warm White Par39 LED wash cans
Intelligent Lighting: 4-8 American DJ XMove LED 25R (also considering American DJ Inno Scan LED scanners instead)
LED Effects: American DJ Revo Rave OR Revo 4, American DJ Quad Phase HP, & American DJ Spherion WH white rotating ball
+ Chauvet LED Followspot 75ST for standard shows
All will be controlled by on-computer software, still deciding what I should get...

List is not finalized, still deciding if there's any other options or anything I want to change. This rig will be used on various shows of varying sizes, including metal, rock, country/southern rock, bluegrass, DJ work, and more...a little bit of everything. Just would appreciate positive critique, something that would benefit me and help me make better decisions...Thanks guys!
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Hi there,

looks good so far; personally I don´t like SM57s, but that´s a matter of taste.

My choice would be IE monitors, but that again is a matter of taste (and money, of course).

Be aware that the Line6 mics can cause problems when you are using SL-Remote with an iPad/iPhone (depending on what router u use to connect), because they are using the same 2.4 GHZ frequency. Apart from that they are great.

I would suggest the American DJ Mega Tripar Profile instead of the Mega QA PAR38 cans. The price is almost the same (I think the Tripar Profile is a little cheaper). The Tripar Profile has 5x3W TriLEDs with a beam angle of 40 degrees, while the QAs have 3x5W with a beam angle of only 25 degrees. Since you are planning with only 24 tricolor cans I think you could use a bit more washlight.

Have fun with your new gear!

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I would love to know what that set up cost
Sounds like an awesome rig
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quote=Mort]Hi there,

looks good so far; personally I don´t like SM57s, but that´s a matter of taste.

My choice would be IE monitors, but that again is a matter of taste (and money, of course).

Be aware that the Line6 mics can cause problems when you are using SL-Remote with an iPad/iPhone (depending on what router u use to connect), because they are using the same 2.4 GHZ frequency. Apart from that they are great.

I would suggest the American DJ Mega Tripar Profile instead of the Mega QA PAR38 cans. The price is almost the same (I think the Tripar Profile is a little cheaper). The Tripar Profile has 5x3W TriLEDs with a beam angle of 40 degrees, while the QAs have 3x5W with a beam angle of only 25 degrees. Since you are planning with only 24 tricolor cans I think you could use a bit more washlight.

Have fun with your new gear!



Thanks. What instrument mics would recommend? I don't absolutely have to have 57's, but I already have three, plus they're decent all-around mics. I know about the problems with interference, but I think I can set the wireless channels up to not interfere with each other. If not, I'll just bite the bullet and go 5GHz...unless anyone has other recommendations for a good quality wireless mic for the same price. I was thinking about the TriPar Profile's, but they are tri-color only I believe, and I don't really need a wider beam spread...the QA's are to double as uplighting on DJ gigs as well, plus most of the time they will be up high enough to provide enough of a wash.

markstar wrote:I would love to know what that set up cost
Sounds like an awesome rig


Retail, the speakers alone are over $11,300. With dealer cost on just about everything, including cases, I'm looking at around $20,000-$25,000. It's going to be a big investment but will be worth it in the long run IMHO. Modular style system (although not intended) since I can use either just two of each, or use all four when necessary. Plus the lighting is all LED which makes it easier to control and to work with in small environments like bars. Just having trouble deciding on lighting software. I want something that is user-friendly, but I'm also looking for something that can be tempo-changed (I.E. like a delay effect, adjust the scene length and time pending on the tempo)
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That is one Hell of a system fella. Good luck with that.

Nothing wrong with 57's in your situation. I am moving away from them recording wise, but mainly on instruments. Still the go to mic for drums for me. An addition to that, take a look at the Granelli Labs modded 57's.

http://www.granelliaudiolabs.com/information/

They are awesome for miking snare drums. You can fit them right under even the lowest hihats, and gives you great rejection. Only $50 bucks more than a regular 57. You can also get kits direct from Granelli to mod existing mics that you have.

The only other preference mic wise I have vs what you are looking at is in regards to the D112. I know it is one of the most recommended for kick, but I am getting so tired of trying to EQ that cardboardy sound that it has. I get a way better sound faster with a Beta 52, but like the other poster that is my personal preference.
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Lucky u don't live in Australia about $35000 here
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Good power management might be something to consider. Those K series don't suck a lot of power but a good sounding nice setup shouldn't be trashed up with ugly orange power cords running everywhere. don't forget a good power filter or even a small battery backup for the mixer. The SL's don't like spikes or brownouts.
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Sounds like a pretty good rig man.

I second the in-ears. And for an instrument mic I've been turned on to the Audix i5. same cost and similar durability to the SM57 but I think it just sounds sooo much better. Much smoother on just about everything I've used it on.
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matthewgorman wrote:That is one Hell of a system fella. Good luck with that.

Nothing wrong with 57's in your situation. I am moving away from them recording wise, but mainly on instruments. Still the go to mic for drums for me. An addition to that, take a look at the Granelli Labs modded 57's.

http://www.granelliaudiolabs.com/information/

They are awesome for miking snare drums. You can fit them right under even the lowest hihats, and gives you great rejection. Only $50 bucks more than a regular 57. You can also get kits direct from Granelli to mod existing mics that you have.

The only other preference mic wise I have vs what you are looking at is in regards to the D112. I know it is one of the most recommended for kick, but I am getting so tired of trying to EQ that cardboardy sound that it has. I get a way better sound faster with a Beta 52, but like the other poster that is my personal preference.


Interesting about those modded 57's, I may have to pick one or two up. I've been using an Audix DP7 with extra tom mics to do drums, and it sounds great. The D112 would be a bass-amp only mic for the most part, unless anyone has some other recommendations for a bass amp (maybe another Audix D6?)

markstar wrote:Lucky u don't live in Australia about $35000 here


Haha, the price comes pretty close. The speakers retail alone were almost $12,000, but thanks to some highly-recommended dealers, I'm getting some helluva deals.

mike devore wrote:Good power management might be something to consider. Those K series don't suck a lot of power but a good sounding nice setup shouldn't be trashed up with ugly orange power cords running everywhere. don't forget a good power filter or even a small battery backup for the mixer. The SL's don't like spikes or brownouts.


I plan on picking up a Powercon for on stage and a UPS for the SL. As far as the cables, I will probably pick up some power ends with 4 outlets on the end, and probably a 3-pin Hubbell end with Hubbell to Edison adaptors, for those times when I will get a distro (although not really needed lol). I have CBI power cables that have multiple outlets along them for amp power and for front monitor power. Don't plan on any orange cords except where absolutely necessary.

Monolithent wrote:Sounds like a pretty good rig man.

I second the in-ears. And for an instrument mic I've been turned on to the Audix i5. same cost and similar durability to the SM57 but I think it just sounds sooo much better. Much smoother on just about everything I've used it on.


Yeah, in-ears would be nice but too expensive right now...I do plan on picking up a few sets once I get some more money available, as they would be a lot easier than foldback (although I have hardly any problems out of the EV's as monitors, even on heavy rock shows. I'm going to sit down with a couple friends and do some recordings with the SM57 and the i5, I may pick a few of them up instead. I've been debating on Audix mics versus Shure's anyways..
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The local mom n pop that I deal with did a mic shootout for a Bass cab mic.

The unanimous vote for best setup was the Audix i5 and a Radial J48. One got the top stuff and the other got the bottom. Made a beautiful sound. I alwas DI a bass. the wavelengths are too long to really capture the bottom end with just a mic unless you set it like 6 ft out.
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just out of curiosity, what are you using for Kick? i was assuming the d112 but based on your comments your not. If you haven't decided, then i would steer away from the d112 for live. Everyone said that it was the one to get so i got one, and i was disappointed. as matt said, so much time eq'ing. i switched to an audix D6 (have also used the shure beta a lot as well) and have never looked back. take it with me. The only other kick i consider now is the Sennheiser one.

SM57 - got about 12 - good all round, can't go wrong IMO. Always alternatives but indestructible and can be used on almost anything - used it as a kick drum mic a couple of times, worked well.
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b_dann_b wrote:just out of curiosity, what are you using for Kick? i was assuming the d112 but based on your comments your not. If you haven't decided, then i would steer away from the d112 for live. Everyone said that it was the one to get so i got one, and i was disappointed. as matt said, so much time eq'ing. i switched to an audix D6 (have also used the shure beta a lot as well) and have never looked back. take it with me. The only other kick i consider now is the Sennheiser one.

SM57 - got about 12 - good all round, can't go wrong IMO. Always alternatives but indestructible and can be used on almost anything - used it as a kick drum mic a couple of times, worked well.


Audix DP7 drum mic kit, which has the Audix D6 mic, it sounds great IMHO. I've thought about picking up a second D6 for double kick or bass use, just haven't put a lot of thought into it, but I probably will.
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Would it be a helpful critique if I said that I was jealous because that is almost the exact system I wanted?

Now that PreSonus has its own speakers coming, my speaker preference has changed, buit the rest is VERY similar to what I would build...
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How long of a throw are you hoping to do with those LED pars? I've been researching LEDs for our church but most of our throws are going to be 30-'40' and it seems like we'd have to spend $1200-1500 per fixture to do that.
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Monoskier wrote:How long of a throw are you hoping to do with those LED pars? I've been researching LEDs for our church but most of our throws are going to be 30-'40' and it seems like we'd have to spend $1200-1500 per fixture to do that.


I don't think we will be throwing light pretty far with them, most of the stages I'll be doin will probably be no more than 24-28' wide and 20' deep. The only other time they will be used would be uplighting.
 
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