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1818 vsl: zero latency cue mix sends in S1 cannot send to ADAT?
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runejensen
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I thought I was real clever and set up S1 to send to adat via a zero latency cue mix. But it doesn't send anything. If i remove the 'Z' it sends (but with latency...and the well known pops nd crackles)

Is it not possible to send zero latency cue mixes to ADAT from S1?

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I made the last two ADAT outs a cue mix. Routed that stereo out to my headphone amp. Single mic in channel one on the 1818 and it worked for me. Maybe this isn't what you had in mind?
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Sounds like the same thing. Create an output in song setup, check the 'cue' checkbox. Then select adat for that output. After that, send from mic 1, to that output with 'Z' engaged. Can't do it with the 'z' engaged, but when i switch it off it send correctly to The right output.
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Can anyone try this? Or at least, can someone tell me whether it 'should' be possible?
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You cannot use any digital outputs in VSL, thus most likely you cannot use the Z feature on them in S1 either. There is no promise that these outputs will be supported in the future and Presonus only advise to route these outputs using your daw only!!!

I again will have to say Presonus have mislead customers of this product from day one, this product is marketed mostly for it VSL ability and you cannot use it at all on the digital outputs, so maybe they should have called this product 1808 only with VSL, 1818 with your daw (latency)
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The thing is though...you CAN select them in S1 as a Cue Mix output. I would have thought, that if you could not use them, you simply couldn't select them, or at least the 'Z' would dissapear from the cue mix sends. That does however not happen.
I find all of this quite strange. I was so happy with the 1818vsl on my iMac in the studio, but now with a new Mac in a live situation, it is really failling me...hard.

EDIT: Oh...and there is no real reason why it shouldn't be possible.

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In S1 once you make the ADAT pair out a CUE Mix it automatically shows up as a send. On that send you can click on the z for zero latency. That's how it works for me.
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mech2161 wrote:In S1 once you make the ADAT pair out a CUE Mix it automatically shows up as a send. On that send you can click on the z for zero latency. That's how it works for me.

I just tested it on three different Macs running different versions of both S1 and the 1818 VSL drivers. As soon as you hit the 'Z', the sound simply disappears. Both with ADAT and SPDIF. I know it is routed correctly, because when the 'Z' is not on, it sends to the correct output.

Would you do me a favor and test it again. If there is hope that it will work, I'll be really happy.
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I'm on a PC. There may be something different in the drivers. It works for me.
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I suppose it is (another) bug in the Mac software then. Just can't believe I am the only one who has noticed it. Very strange.
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runejensen wrote:I suppose it is (another) bug in the Mac software then. Just can't believe I am the only one who has noticed it. Very strange.


Did you read my post? it is not supported, on Mac or PC. Read the manual or email tech support, you will learn the easy way. Your far from the only one mislead and hoping it is not the case, just look at all the posts in this forum!!!

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runejensen
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Well, according to the other user in this thread, you CAN do it on a PC. The studio one manual also indicates that there is not limits in this regard. Technically it isn't an issue either. It is an oversight though. And a glaring one at that.
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Has anyone checked to see how close to zero "zero latency" monitoring really is? I don't have an 1818 so I can't try it myself. This seems to be a feature that's unique to the VSL products.

When I looked for the zero latency button using my Mackie 1200F (which has oodles of outputs) it didn't appear. My understanding is that when Zero Latency Monitoring is selected, rather than sending the output of the track that's in Record out to the assigned monitor output, it routes the VSL mixer output straight to the monitor output.

You could always do that for outputs 1-8. Is this a feature that allows you to route a VSL "channel strip" to outputs 9-16 (or 1? Is that what it's about?
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MikeRivers wrote:Has anyone checked to see how close to zero "zero latency" monitoring really is? I don't have an 1818 so I can't try it myself. This seems to be a feature that's unique to the VSL products.

When I looked for the zero latency button using my Mackie 1200F (which has oodles of outputs) it didn't appear. My understanding is that when Zero Latency Monitoring is selected, rather than sending the output of the track that's in Record out to the assigned monitor output, it routes the VSL mixer output straight to the monitor output.

You could always do that for outputs 1-8. Is this a feature that allows you to route a VSL "channel strip" to outputs 9-16 (or 1? Is that what it's about?


Yes Mike, you are correct
1. Z feature is only supported by Presonus interfaces.
2. Once activated the daw is bypassed thus no daw effects(inserts). The signal is pipped input>vsl>output.
3. The digital outs where not coded into the VSL(yes we all agree, WHY?........presonus......no answer), thus the reason when the OP turns on the Z feature for the adat(or spdif) output is gone.

I will also add Presonus only added salt to the wound by recently adding a preference to MIRROR the main output to the spdif outputs. This is a poor excuse of not adding the code to provide gate, eq, comp, effects to the spdif and adats "independently" of the mains. So now you're mirrored on the phones with 7/8 and the mains with 1/2 AND spdif if you use digital monitors

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runejensen
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Presonus confirms that this 'should' be possible. I think we can then safely assume that its a bug in the Mac driver.
 
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