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b_dann_b
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With the upcoming UC1.7 release (Nov 19th according to the website) and the added SMAART wizards that available, it looks like its time to invest in an RTA Mic.

For those unsure what UC1.7 has, check out the new smaart fetaures here:
http://www.presonus.com/products/Virtual-StudioLive/Smaart-M


So does anyone have any recommendations? the DBX RTA-M? presonus - any recommendations?


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Best bang for the buck... get the mic that Rational Acoustics (SMAART) sells...
http://www.rationalacoustics.com/store/microphones/ra-rta-420.html

Most measurement mics are acceptable for the purpose.... in the long run. If your going to get a mic that is calibrated and flat from end to end you are going to pay HUGE money... and commit Seppuku (harakiri) when you knock over the mic stand and face plant the business end in the dirt, or concrete floor... In this light even the Audix TR40 seems a bit spendy...
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Cheers gadget.

The DBX RTA-M is on special here in OZ for about AUS$97 - you still think stick with the Rational?
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Not enough difference to speak of here, you do whatever you think is best. They may well be made in the same factory...

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HI Gadget,

found the post on the dbx forum.... now i get it will see which ever i can get cheaper and has the best "coolness" factor
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Ii have the DBX mic and it is just fine. I also used a TR 40 Audix and compared the two. They tracked very very close all the way through the frequency response except @ 5k. The Audix would have wanted me to boost at 5k while my DBX showed the response was fine. Considering my system was plenty bright as it is - I did not boost at 5kHz?

I don't think expensive mics are worth the price jump. Better to invest the extra money in taking a Smaart class that teaches you what to do with the data. Not all data is valid .... hence all the bashing about using your ears versus making those squiggles lines straight.
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I too have the DBX and a Behringer (somewhere around here) and there is not much discernable difference between them. An RTA mic for live sound purposes really doesn't matter. They're all pretty much the same til you get to the really high end of the spectrum (usually above 10k on average).

If you're making a living with critical, has to be as accurate as possible, testing then spend the bucks for the tools but they can get just absolutely stupid expensive (I think Earthworks sells one for like $35k )

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thanks for all the advice guys. has helped a lot a probably saved me a bit of cash too

.... now for the release of the update.....
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The 2 mics listed above are both condenser mics that require phantom power, but the talkback input does not have phantom power on it. Is everyone using a separate phantom power supply for this mic input?
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the talkback mic does have phantom power on it. there is no switch - it is always on. i've used the behinger rta on it so i know it works.
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Thank you b_dann_b for clarifying that. I must have overlooked that when reading through the manual.
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all good - you probably didn't miss it. such a small thing in a huge manual

good luck and enjoy. feel free to come back and ask more questions
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question on the RTA mic can i use a Encore 100 for now until i get one bought? it does not have to be perfect but close for a temp use of test.
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I have the mic that came with the Audessy Arc software and the Behringer mic.

I've even used other condenser mics with little discernible difference. Put it this way any half way reasonable condenser mic is going to be better than not using the SMAART system at all.
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