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MikeRivers
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formula428 wrote:I'd assume the SL was not designed to be a DAW control interface. Otherwise, Presonus made a major blunder.


Surely PreSonus knew what they were doing when they designed the StudioLive. I think that not functioning as a DAW control surface is a big omission if it was intended to be a fully capable studio mixer for today's working environments. This is why I consider it to be a live console that you can use in the studio rather than a universal console that's equally at home on stage and in the studio.

I think that moving faders are useful when the mixer is following a dynamic automation track, but if you just want to know how to set them to get back to a previous static mix, using the "match the LED" method used in the StudioLive is just fine once you get the hang of it. Sure, it would save a minute or so if you could push a button and have all the faders jump to their correct physical positions, but is that minute worth several hundred, maybe even a thousand, dollars more cost? To some, yes, but for them, there are other (more expensive) options.

I really would like to see a studio version of the StudioLive, though, since I think there are a lot of useful features packed in at a good price. But the signal flow and work flow are different between stage and studio, and one size doesn't fit all.

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weavo wrote:I'd pay extra for recallable input gain and aux masters.


Some day I'd like to take a closer look (or get someone who has a schematic and knows how to read it can tell me) at how the gain controls work. We're told that they're analog pots, and that is indeed likely to be correct. But I noted, when I was reviewing the StudioLive, that the gain changed in steps larger than the granularity of any reasonable pot. I was thinking that the gain pot controlled a digital attenuator or gain element that worked in steps. If this was the case, it would be possible to store and recall the settings, or at least indicate a match with a stored value like what you have with the faders.

But I'm not the design engineer. I'm not the product manager. I'm not even the tech writer. I'm just a poor retired engineer trying to be helpful to users and harass manufacturers to make better products.
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I have a scratchy gain pot so i assuse they are truly analog
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Its very good idea to have two 1642 and get 32 channels and you can use then in one show to have 32 channels, or one for monitors and the other for the house or just take the two consoles for 2 different shows....

But i think tha 32 channels and 6 AUXs is not enough, i think that Presonus may do a firmware where you can unmerge the AUXs like the Subs or EFX AUXs, and you could have 12 AUX (6 in master and 6 in slave)

Or they can doa new mixer 32.6.2 with 12 AUXs and 4 EFXs
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tysonviolin wrote:I have a scratchy gain pot so i assuse they are truly analog


It could be. It could also be that you're hearing "zipper noise" caused by the level jumping in steps. I put in a steady tone, turned the knob as slowly as I could, and saw the channel output level jump in discrete steps, about half a dB as I recall. You can't see that on the mixer's meters because they don't have good enough resolution. You need an external meter.
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How about 2 tube SuperChannels?
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then let's make mooving faders optional. at least 12 aux'es, 8 sub's and 4 fx procesors. slightly biger and angled screen, angled meterbridge would be welcome'd to.
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I want mine to come with a Mr. coffee machine attached to it.

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I Just want to be able to send effects to the auxes without subbing them and then hardlining that sub out into an input channel. That wastes 2 channels. I love this board for small stuff and as a monitor board its amazing, especially since the 24 channel version has 10 auxes. Truly amazing stuff.

XLR outs on the auxes would be cool, but i can deal

Also on a 32 channel version id like to see 12 auxes and 4FX as well as the ability to change the sub groups to VCA (or is it a DCA for this thing, its an analog fader controlling a digital mix)

All in all though i love the freaking concept and wouldnt change to much about it cuz the nice thing about it is the cost. Much more and you might as well just save a little more and get an LS9.
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You CAN send the FX to the auxes as well as the a and b returns

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Chris Fletchall wrote:I want mine to come with a Mr. coffee machine attached to it.




Coffee is good.

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floaty83 wrote:
Chris Fletchall wrote:I want mine to come with a Mr. coffee machine attached to it.




Coffee is good.


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Hovgard wrote:My dream StudioLive (more live)

32 Channels

8 VCA (DCA) groups

12 AUX

2 x Dynamics in the fat channel

4 on board effects

Larger angled LCD that gives channel data similar to when connected to a computer.

Motorized faders

Angled meter section

Better headphone amplIfication with connector on top (flightcase)

Mute groups





I am with this guy! I have recently had the opportunity to work on a Yamaha LS9 and a Roland M480. Both mixers are packed with features but a complete pain to use! I love my StudioLive even more now! If Presonus would put a few pro level options on a 32 channel console I would pay $10,000 or more for it, if they keep their simplicity to operate. Motorized faders would be a must to get to a pro level console that you could actually bring and use to a real concert type situation. Having a card slot or two for expansion would allow for CAT5 Digital Snakes, outboard pre amps and things of that nature. Also with motorized Faders on 32 channels you have a much better option for Aux on Fader mixing and a real complete look at your 31 band graphic eq's. I think these upgrades could still be done with keeping the simplicity that I love my StudioLive for but offer some pro features that will make it rider friendly and a real pro level console. Currently my StudioLive get's to see the nightclub duty but will never have a chance working with National Artists a FOH mixer. I hate that I am having to buy a competitors mixer that is far less intuitive to work on to cover this type of event. With the StudioLive, I can send pretty much anybody that has ever mixed on a Analog console out and they can quickly figure out how to operate it. Other digital consoles, no way!!! I know the designers of the StudioLive wanted to take advantage of a certain place in the market from a dollar figure standpoint but they also need to listen to some of us out here that also mix higher end events and unfortunately cannot use their product at those events, though we absolutely love it for the smaller stuff we do. I believe they would dominate in that dollar figure as well with some of these pro features.... No need for these upgrades on a 16 or 24 channel either.... Just a new, Pro Level 32 in a class of it's own, I've got their first $10,000!!! Anyone else?
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Digital Snake, and maybe motorized faders so they can be synced with VSL remote is what I would like
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Did my first gig with my new SL24 yesterday. Overall two thumbs up!

But, I did find myself wanting for a few a features already mentioned and a few not yet mentioned.

Motorized faders - I really thought this would be a non issue, as I don't do that many back-to-back shows that require lightning fast recall for the scenes, but in the heat of battle, making changes via my MacBook Pro/UC and the physical desk, I found myself canceling out changes that I had made using UC when I inadvertently grabbed a fader and hosed the setting I previously made using UC. I know motorized faders would up the price by $1000, but after using this desk, it offers enough bang for the buck, that I would pay the extra cash to have them.

Really, really, really need more than two effects. I use completely different effects on drums than I do on vocals. Wound up having to bring an effects rack to compensate (boo-hiss).

One that hasn't been addressed in this discussion is Fat Channel access to the Tape-in. That cost me 2 channels I didn't really want to give up, but had to eq soundtrack music for one set, so I had to use 23 and 24 to get the settings that I needed.

Ethernet port - Not a problem at this last gig because I was recording, but don't want to be forced to lug a laptop around just to gain control via iPad.

Screen print frequency numbers on the Fat Channel for GEQ - I know it's already crowded, and this may not possible for the 16 channel folks, but the 24 would only have a few channel overlap. I found it clumsy when wanting to quickly reach up and pull a frequency out and having to watch the LCD as I chased down the correct knob.

The ability to lock or Join the GEQ's for stereo mixes and multiple monitor sends. I figured out how to do it via UC, but I want to be able to do this at the desk.

Mute Groups - PLEASE!

Muting Sub-Groups does not mute the Aux's. I muted Sub 4 which was my drum assignment, but monitors were still hot, so I had to mute the individual channels.

Please move the headphone jack to the top of the desk.or to the back I/O panel.

I know these were all things I didn't like about the board, but I don' t have enough time to write down all of the things that I Love about it!!

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