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Gizzmo0815
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I asked Ryan at Front End Audio to take a closer look as well. He assures me the tube is the light source...no LED. He's a distributor...that's two pretty reliable folks I'd say.

I always wondered why people couldn't understand the difference between a Chinese designed product...and a western design manufactured in China. Particularly given that Lewitt owns the factory. I'd say they have a lot of control over the process. Chinese manufacturing is in many ways surpassing western capabilities these days...If a pattern sucks it's the design...there's not a whole lot a manufacturer can do to mess up a well designed capsule. I suspect the ones you're complaining about are mass produced...There are a collection of higher end companies that manufacture in China...and those that don't often are using Chinese parts in the design...hard to avoid these days.

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I'm a bit baffled by your enthusiasm to defend Lewitt. But hey, whatever floats your boat..

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Not defending...seeking the truth. It irritates me when people make unjustified claims for no reason other than to be negative. I would react the same for a Presonus product...or any other.
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All I can say is, for that money, it better have a USB port so I can hook it up to my DAW.

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@Gizmo0815, nicely said! It is what it is.

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Hey, thanks for the heads up on the Lmic, I mean mic, LMike

Looks Cool. Nice design.
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I don't really understand why I'm supposed to be negative here. I've expressed my skepticism about the marketing of this microphone, both in design with this ridiculous window and how it's advertized. Also I've said I've never heard a good capsule made in China, Lewitt might have gotten in right, but I doubt it on my previous experiences with various Chinese capsules. It's not that easy to manufacture a really good capsule, there's a reason why they still cost premium dollars.

This forum is mostly frequented by hobbyists, home recorders and project studio owners (which is great - if I want gearslutz, I know where they are) and this is exactly the target market for this microphone. Most of these people have never had access to or worked with really great mics and might easily be pulled in by such a marketing scheme. Since I do have this experience, I really don't see why I'm being negative when I'm trying to tell whoever is reading this thread, that in my opinion, this mic should be met with some caution because it's (at least on the outside) all about eye candy and vintage mystery mumbo jumbo. I've also stated how a truly good tube microphone can be had for much less $ than the mic in question here. Call that negative?

One last argument, why I think this mic is a bad idea from the beginning. It claims to basically be two mics in one and this is where the trouble starts. The most important element of a condenser mic is its capsule, by far. And a properly designed circuit with a tube will sound very similar to a properly designed circuit with a FET. This means that the two 'versions' of this mic will sound VERY similar unless the designer deliberately voiced the electronics for a certain sound, which is a bad idea in my opinion. I want a mic to record as faithfully as possible and not mess with my signal. If the two 'versions' do indeed sound different enough so it feels like two mics, the circuits are either poorly designed or deliberately voiced - not good either way.

I'm not saying this mic necessarily sounds bad, but its features are there for marketing reasons primarily and it seems overpriced for an all Chinese product. For 1500$ you can get several mics that each sound good at what they do. I'd much rather go that route than buy such a jack of all trades and (in my opinion) master of none.
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I think it's just overblown.

Any regular guy who goes out and buys a $1500 mic without actually hearing one first or doing some research about it first and finding a way to listen to some recordings done with it first to make an educated decision would be a moron of such magnitude (or a trust fund baby) that your advice here wouldn't matter very much.

And any full time professional probably wouldn't need the advice anyway. He'd just seek out a studio with one and go demo it and make up his own mind.

So... it's all kinda moot really. There's nobody to save here.
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FWIW, having had the opportunity of using Neumann U87's, in a Pro Studio Above Radio City Music Hall but not being able to afford them for my home studio, My large diaphragm (but affordable) AKG's designed in Austria, but built in China to stay competitive are holding up pretty nicely. Tube Microphones are a very attractive design, and allow for some very transparent clarity, so I'm sort of losing the "China syndrome approach. I admit, I haven't read the whole thread, but I'd like to check it out. It's probably along the lines of competing with a AKG C 414, or a Mojave Ma-300, or similar. So it's worth a look.

Does anybody really buy into Gearslutz as an authoritative source?

Lastly, buying such a microphone, above $1200 usually means having a keen eye on some quality Preamps, to complete the path, as you're only as good as your weekest link.

I'm a bit curious about the aforementioned LED tube look if that is true. Sounds hokey. Well, anyway Beauvais, thanks for giving a cautious note to all. It makes some sense and is appreciated. The capsule is the heart and soul of a mic of good caliber, so since Lewitt has marketed such a mic, the proof will be in the feedback of users, and does it give them the quality edge they need. Who knows, maybe the hokyness (a word I just made up) makes a client sing their ass off. We'll just have to see.

Anyway, I'll say thanks for your response. No need to convey the Mic should be viewed with skepticism. Usually a Mic in this category has to deliver on the goods. Not on the fluff.
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So much to say! I'll still keep it brief.

1500 bucks seems like a lot of money for a mic. I have absolutely no idea why this one is supposed to be special. A glowing light would mean nothing for me, in fact would be annoying (like lights on my computer)

I don't see that the comment about us all being hobbyists/whatever had any real meaning. What, hobbyists don't have interest in cool things?

@trying: Not sure I read that right but you can't "try" anything in the usa. You have to buy and you can't return.
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This mic comes with an external power supply box. It is what has the LED's they refer to in the description.

The tube is glowing, but the picture on page 1 of this thread looks odd because it looks like there may be two LED's shining down toward the tube from the top. Those are just reflections from the light the photographer used.

I don't like the white LED's they used on the power supply. I have a limited edition tube based ART Reference Series MPAII Mic Pre with white LED's and blue backlit VU's. I wish it had the original orange LED's and VU's.

If you want this mic to sound as good as it possibly can, you're going to have to spend another $500 on a NOS tube and keep the one that comes with it as a backup. (NOS=New Old Stock).

That's the main problem with anything new that is tube based. They do not make tubes like they used to. It's one of the reasons why I like ART tube equipment so much. They price it right and if you want to spend the extra to upgrade the tubes to NOS ones you can afford to.
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hibidy wrote:@trying: Not sure I read that right but you can't "try" anything in the usa. You have to buy and you can't return.


Sweetwater and Musician's Friend offer this mic. You can try anything except the obvious, software, strings, etc etc, and return it. Mic's fall in to the returnable category.

Thought I'd mention it in case your curiosity got the best of you and you wanted to try it.
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hibidy wrote:1500 bucks seems like a lot of money for a mic.

My most expensive mic was about $700 so $1500 is out of my personal justifyable budget range.
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Most vendors, in my experience, WILL NOT allow any returns of mics, citing health reasons. One thing you can do is go to the store and plug it in and try it there -- maybe make a little mic shootout recording on the spot -- then you can take the recording home and hear it on your system. Another option is find someone who has one and see if they'll let you audition it.
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Ok, I'm officially on freak out mode. The sure sm57 I looked up at GC says "30 days"

????????????????????????????

I've always been told you buy it, you keep it.

Anyways, sound cards? They are listed as non-returnable. WTF??????
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