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16.0.2 vs 16.4.2 - The Hidden Differences - A lot more than you think (I Have Had Them Both)
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jokunen
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It seems that Firewire outs are fixed pre-fat channel in 16.0.2.
This together with not having firewire outs on the mains severely limits the studio use of 16.0.2.
It can be used as interface/monitor mixer but not for mixing recorded material (without additional A/D conversion).

For those who are trying to decide between the two I recommend going to a store that has both on display. The difference between the two becomes clear at fist glance. They are really different products that just have some common elements.
I got the 16.0.2 because I need it for a small band without separate sound man. 16.4.2 would be an overkill for that.
For bands with separate soundman 16.4.2 should be the obvious choice between the 2.
I'm just saying if there is no dedicated person turning the knobs it doesn't make any difference whether everyone can have personal FX mix in their monitors. Also tuning with 4-band EQ is not very effective if you are playing an instrument at the same time.
musiclee
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jokunen,

thanks but im still a little confused as to what the limitations are on the 16.0.2 as far as FX are concerned

can i have lots of Reverb and a little Delay on Channel 1....and then
have little Reverb and a lot of Delay on Channel 2?

someone said it's all or nothing....please explain limitation, and how 16.4.2 is better
maybe a firmware can fix this "issue", whatever this may be

thanks,

i don't have sound man, in fact i have a simple trio, so i'm leaning towards the 16.0.2,
but then don't wantto regret later, thinking i should have gotten the bigger one, but again, it's much bigger, and overkill perhaps..
musiclee
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jokunen wrote:
"I got the 16.0.2 because I need it for a small band without separate sound man. 16.4.2 would be an overkill for that."


but why not continue using the 16.4.2 even for small bands, weight is just 2 more pounds, ??
whay will the 16.0.2 give you more of? except some space in the cargo van

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The all or nothing applies to the aux mixes...today, but not for long. As far as for the channels, you can put as much, or as little of either of the two effects. In the new firmware release, which is not released yet, you will be able to add a different amount of the effects to each aux channel as well. Right now, you can only add the same amount to each. It is all or nothing of the same level. So if someone wants effects in their monitor, and someone else in the band does not, they have to make a decision on effects, or no effects.
musiclee
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so ALL auxes have to have same amount?

but the FX amount overall can still be more or less than the main FX, but it's that ALL auxes will get same amount,
so if there is reverb on voice on channel 1 , AUX1, it will have same amount of reverb on AUX2, if you turn on FX for aux 2,

is this the case?
scottmckenna
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musiclee wrote:what does the 16.0.2 have that the 16.4.2 doesn't?
i know about the MIDI, and the dedicated EQ button, (on 16.4.2 it's buried in last page of menu)

what else?
just trying to deice between the 2 mixers,
i know the 16.4.2. is overkill, but i like idea of 4band eq vs. 3 band, subgroups nice but not a must for me,
so not sure its worth the extra size, weight and $$$



Besides the Midi, and the clear size difference, I don't think there is anything the 16.0.2 does that the 16.4.2 doesn't do. I would think that'd be a silly thing to do on Presonus part. The midi is a cool option, but I never found it useful for me personally, but not saying that some one else wouldn't use it. It's definitely a lot smaller, no questions asked, but the 4 band EQ is a big thing to me as well as the subgroups. I never thought I'd use the subgroups either, but then I started routing my FX to them, so I can bring it delays while mixing a live show, etc. Very useful.
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musiclee wrote:so ALL auxes have to have same amount?

but the FX amount overall can still be more or less than the main FX, but it's that ALL auxes will get same amount,
so if there is reverb on voice on channel 1 , AUX1, it will have same amount of reverb on AUX2, if you turn on FX for aux 2,

is this the case?


Correct. Which like people have said, that will be changed I'm sure, but as of right now, it's not possible. Now, keep in mind you only have 4 AUX's on the 16.0.2 instead of 6 on the 16.4.2. That can be an important thing for a band using in ears. If there are 5 band members using in ears, and you only have 4 AUX's. Just pointing it out. That's not the typical set up for every one, but it is for me.
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NOTE: I can't say it enough, I made this post simply to help people see some of the small differences that these boards have that weren't obvious to see. I'm not saying there is anything wrong with the 16.0.2. It's an amazing board. I just was hoping to create a little conversation that helped people understand some of the differences. Calm down people.

Any word when the official firmware will be out for the 16.4.2?
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musiclee wrote:so ALL auxes have to have same amount?

but the FX amount overall can still be more or less than the main FX, but it's that ALL auxes will get same amount,
so if there is reverb on voice on channel 1 , AUX1, it will have same amount of reverb on AUX2, if you turn on FX for aux 2,

is this the case?


Yes, as I understand it, that is the case.

(sorry, I see this was already confirmed above....dont know how to delete posts)

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Jason.Harris
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The addition of 2 RCA input pairs, 4 stereo channels (which is great for keyboardists, DJ's, Karaoke, and such), Multi-function buttons... Just a few of the differences I like about the 16.0.2.

As an electronic music artist who already has a ton of gear to plug and unplug every gig, the 16.0.2 is a godsend for me. Anyone who I might be collaborating with, I can plug right into my system and control their input/output just like FOH would. The various connection options fulfill all my needs and give me room to expand.

I can also perform in the studio exactly as I do onstage and vice-versa, which is what I'm all about... The 16.0.2 isn't for everyone, that is certain, but its the only StudioLive for me!

Cheers,

Jason

jokunen
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musiclee wrote:

but why not continue using the 16.4.2 even for small bands, weight is just 2 more pounds, ??
whay will the 16.0.2 give you more of? except some space in the cargo van



I never had a 1642. I just compared between the 2 and got the 1602 because it suits my needs better.
If I already had the 1642 I would continue to use that even if I didn't need the extra features for each gig.

My point is that that 1642 seems to have the features that are essential if your band has a dedicated soundman or some of the musicians is willing to to but considerable time into fine tuning the sound and monitor mixes.
1602 misses the features I would never really need in a real gig situation anyway when I need to play instruments and not only fiddle with the mixer.
In small band use also the venue often limits the sound quality much more than the mixer feature set.

I think Presonus made very good choises when selecting the feature set for 1602 so it's not just a "strip down 1642" but a product of it's own where the feature set matches many real life situations well.
Still it would be nice to have firewire out on the main channel and at least one graphic EQ for one of the aux's etc..

I used to have a analog set that was somewhat unbalanced for real life use. I soon realized I was using only 30% of the stuff I was carrying and plugging in every time.
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jokunen wrote:
musiclee wrote:
I think Presonus made very good choises when selecting the feature set for 1602 so it's not just a "strip down 1642" but a product of it's own where the feature set matches many real life situations well.
Still it would be nice to have firewire out on the main channel and at least one graphic EQ for one of the aux's etc..


I couldn't agree more. Presonus has 3 amazing digital consoles. The 16.0.2, the 16.4.2 and 24.4.2 all have their perfect place in the world. They appealed to 3 different types of bands, sound man, etc. On top of that, the price point of all these boards are just spot on, it's really amazing.
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musiclee
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jokunen, "and at least one graphic EQ for one of the aux's etc.. "



as you prob know... you could use FAT Channel on any/all of AUX's to give you at least a 3 band EQ

but of course a 15 or 31 band would be great on AUXES and Monitor Outs...
musiclee
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the one thing i wish the 16.4.2 had was stereo channels on the last few channels (at least 2 with RCA & 1/4")
so we wouldnt have to ride 2 channels faders and PAN for Keyboards, Synths, CD's etc...

fredley
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musiclee wrote:the one thing i wish the 16.4.2 had was stereo channels on the last few channels (at least 2 with RCA & 1/4")
so we wouldnt have to ride 2 channels faders and PAN for Keyboards, Synths, CD's etc...



You know that you can link two adjacent channels - works great for me.
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