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hibidy
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Jon Samuelson wrote:

When I finally see people like Bitflipper, Yoropal and Bapu here, It'll be all but certain that sonar is headed for trouble.


I thought everything went downhill after I left?

Memories, Never miss it though. BTW, I don't think there is an X2b yet, is there? Oh no, I wouldn't waste my time, but was just curious.

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hibidy wrote:
Jon Samuelson wrote:

When I finally see people like Bitflipper, Yoropal and Bapu here, It'll be all but certain that sonar is headed for trouble.


I thought everything went downhill after I left?

Memories, Never miss it though. BTW, I don't think there is an X2b yet, is there? Oh no, I wouldn't waste my time, but was just curious.



Dunno. I'm just using X1. It's on my PC anyway. I just have too much going on with S1 to even really use X1.
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Just wanna throw a welcome to Bub from over at the X1-2 saga!

...When I finally see people like Bitflipper, Yoropal and Bapu here, It'll be all but certain that sonar is headed for trouble...

For the record, I know for a fact that bitflipper has a copy of Studio One, which he was going to purchase during their $20.11 days, but he actually got one for free.

So he may not be here yet, but he's armed & ready if the time should ever come.

He might even be peaking around the corner by now!

But Bapu & Yoropal - I think those 2 are gonna be a hard case to sell.

I'm guessing they won't show up without at least some kicking & screaming.
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jamusic wrote:Just wanna throw a welcome to Bub from over at the X1-2 saga!


Thank you! Glad to be here.

I've been reading this forum off and on for quite a while, then I accidentally stumbled upon this thread a couple weeks ago, and well, you know me, I couldn't resist posting in it.

And yes, I was wrong, it is only up to 'a'. It's been so long since I used it, I assumed it had to be at a 'b' patch by now, but I see I'm wrong. LOL!
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I think the lack of Sonar X2'b' is exactly 'what's burning the house down'.
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It's pretty sad.

titanic, edsel, X2..........
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Most of them use Sonar not because they like Cakewalk but because they like the features, workflow and/or GUI of the program. If not, they should consider switching to a more stable daw from a more communicative developer. That's it. Stop wasting your time and make music with your favorite daw(s). :p
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Bub wrote:
jamusic wrote:Just wanna throw a welcome to Bub from over at the X1-2 saga!

Thank you! Glad to be here.


I used to read your posts with interest, welcome and enjoy making music.

The only thing that was keeping me hanging on with X2 (and i was there with Cakewalk from the early days)
was a stupid notion that the staff view was going to be updated. So I had a notion,
Studio One and Notion 4 for me. I missed a few X2 things for a while, but got over it.
ST1 must be the easiest DAW in the world to learn in a very short time.
And did someone say stable ? Oh yes, that and all.

Carry on....

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hibidy wrote:

I thought everything went downhill after I left?

Memories, Never miss it though.



When X1 first came out the fighting started, and it got reeeeeal ugly. It seemed anything that anyone said, even the slightest little thing, that was critical of Sonar or Cake was met with some really viscous attacks.

The one thing that really made the fanboi's heads explode was the fact that they put out pre-release video's of it and they were using functions that were broken in the final release. They showed them working in their vid's and all the reviews were saying how great those specific functions worked. Would have been nice to have the version they were using when I handed over my money. I called them on it in the forum and oh baby, the fire flew. And they still don't have some of the functions working 5 patches, 6 quick fix, 2 full versions, and 3 paid upgrade points in to the X series. WT* guys?

There are a handful of people there that have nothing to do but sit there and lay and wait for someone to say something they don't like, and they group together and go on the attack. It's really very sad because it wasn't that bad a few years ago. When a company lets the attacks go on against it's customers like what goes on there, it speaks volumes about the people running the company.

So yeah, I agree .. memories, but I sure don't miss it either.

Bub

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Interesting to read these comments from long time Sonar guys, if you read constant bad threads badmouthing the software on the user forum then it has to be a bit of a concern.
I had a brief flirtation with sonar 8.5 when looking for an alternative to cubase. I liked the ACT feature but the GUI was weighed down by masses of icons
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Daw stew wrote:I had a brief flirtation with sonar 8.5 when looking for an alternative to cubase. I liked the ACT feature but the GUI was weighed down by masses of icons
Welcome to a very friendly forum
That's funny because I like Sonar overall but don't like ACT (Control Link in S1 is a lot better). I don't know about 8.5 but you can hide all the big icons in X1/X2.
Btw, the Sonar forum is also very friendly and more informative.....to most users.
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Daw stew wrote:I had a brief flirtation with sonar 8.5 when looking for an alternative to cubase. I liked the ACT feature but the GUI was weighed down by masses of icons


In 8.5, icons were 100% customizable. You could add or remove as many as you liked from the tool bar, but it's not in the X series and that really tweaked a lot of the 8.5 and previous version owners. You can remove entire sections of the tool bar in the X series, but you can't add or remove individual icons. Sonar's ability to be customized how the user wanted it was the main draw to it because it basically does everyting that all the other DAW's do. You used to be able to customize all the colors for everything, track headers, clips, tool bar, customize icons ... all gone, not to mention that they removed several key icons from the individual track headers and hid them in a sub menu.

Daw stew wrote:Welcome to a very friendly forum


Thank you. It does seem like a great place.

Jlien X wrote:Btw, the Sonar forum is also very friendly and more informative.....to most users.


I'd agree with that up to the point of where you start questioning Sonar and Cakewalk. At that point, the hounds are released and you better have thick skin.

There's a lot of basic questions regarding latency and that kind of thing, but anything about operation and the stock answer used to be "RT*M". The two biggest offenders for doing that haven't been around the forum much since you joined Jlien X, so I do have to admit it's been a lot better in that regard. I think you've helped their forum a lot since you joined, as well as a couple of others.

Again, I wish them all the best.

Thanks

Bub
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bitflipper wrote:Hi, everybody! I'm a tourist here, but as a longtime SONAR user I'm looking at Studio One's great automation implementation and salivating.

As you may know, the new SONAR X1 has been well-received by reviewers and many new users - but not so much by us old-timers who'd hoped for enhancements other than a pretty new GUI. Not to mention some bug fixes. Consequently, many of us are discussing (http://forum.cakewalk.com/tm.aspx?&m=2181251&mpage=1) possible alternatives, with S1 occupying the top slot in many of our shortlists of candidates.

I'd like to hear from any of you who are SONAR expats, or are seriously investigating S1 as a possible replacement. What's still missing from S1? How's the MIDI editing compared to SONAR? Is there anything comparable to AudioSnap or V-Vocal? How do you manage large projects without track folders?

Switching DAWs is not something I'll undertake lightly. I have a high level of comfort with SONAR, such that I rarely have to think about how to do something. But I also want a tool that's getting better with each release and S1 definitely qualifies in that regard. The only question is: is version 1.6 full-featured enough to warrant switching at this time?


Hi bitflipper
I can only say without additional Technical Jargon......
I use both and they are both great recording programs (way over the days of pinching pop's reel to reel and doing it as it sounds)
However, Sonar's support team just a little quicker to the response........And ... before I get shot down in flames for that comment....I am a paid up customer of both Presonus and Sonar thankyou !

I find the Studio one2 has a slightly user friendly side to it.

But they are both good platforms to produce some shit hot rockn roll and the like

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Selfindulgence1 wrote:
bitflipper wrote:I'd like to hear from any of you who are SONAR expats, or are seriously investigating S1 as a possible replacement.


I use both and they are both great recording programs (way over the days of pinching pop's reel to reel and doing it as it sounds)

Cheers


I removed my post because I was a bit of a jerk in my reply.

Bub

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I Beg your forgiveness your righteous holyness Bud

Oh that won't happen again

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