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knerr
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I just got done reading this tread http://forumsarchive.presonus.com/posts/list/10979.page regarding the Jangus wireless system, which had kind of gotten hi jacked, so instead of bumping it, I thought I'd start a new thread.

Any new experiences with these, especially regarding IEM use? The latency worries me a little, as I'm kind of sensitive to that.

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I'm extremely sensitive to latency as well and everything that I've read about these units, there is latency and no way around it. I personally couldn't deal with having in ears with latency. No way!
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Yeah, I don't think I could either. I wonder what we're talking, in milliseconds, though.
At any rate, they seem so darn handy, it's hard not to want a set (or two). Might be perfect for delayed speakers, or, in a DJ setting, dispersing audio to nearby rooms?
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knerr wrote:Yeah, I don't think I could either. I wonder what we're talking, in milliseconds, though.
At any rate, they seem so darn handy, it's hard not to want a set (or two). Might be perfect for delayed speakers, or, in a DJ setting, dispersing audio to nearby rooms?


Possibly, but I'm a huge audio quality type of guy, and I cannot imagine it would sound that great transmitting sound entirely to a different speaker in a different room with these. Just my opinion. I've never used them personally so I can't say for sure, but who knows.
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i have just received my jangus unit a couple of few ago. i didn't know there was any latency issues so i just plugged them in to try them after looking at this post.

and yes there is a slight latency. i am not sure how much it would affect me playing live.

i used the system last night at a wedding that i provided a sound system for. i used it two ways. 1...i had it set up with a remote speaker system. i had a qsc k10 paired with a sub set up away from the other speakers. the sound coming out was excellent. however the jangus claim of 100 ft is very exaggerated. its is so exaggerated that i can see them getting sued for false advertisement. the unit goes between 35-50 ft. 50 is my exaggeration. i have tried it in every conition i could think of. even in the best scenarios it maybe could get 50ft. i actaully had to switch my stytem to the remote speaker to a line 6 unit i use. the xds95. the jangus kept dropping. but it was around 40-45 ft away. the jangus tonal quality was much better because the xds95 only goes up to 12khz. the jangus 20khz.

later i used the jangus with a laptop that was set up to show a slide show with audio. it was about 25-30 ft away. it worked flawlessly. and the sound was exceptional.

so the only issue i have with the jangus is that it does not go nearly as far as claimed. other than that it sounds great. i use a line 6 g50 on my acoustic guitar. its a $400 dollar unit and is the best wireless unit i have ever heard regardless of price. the jangus sounds just as good. it is because of being digital. there is no loss in tone and the frequency response is much higher than non digital systems. i do find that the digital systems can sound better than a cable. with cables there is a tone loss. with digital wireless there is not. so when streaming audio, acoustic instruments, or vocals the quality of digital is even better than a cable. fyi...love the line 6 unit. and it goes as far as claimed.

the great thing about the jangus is the variety of uses. you can use it for just about any source. you can use it as in ears as well. i had gotten the one with the ipod adapter and that also works great. the receiver even has controlls for the ipod. and it comes with all the different cables you might need. if you need more it takes a cable with a standard headphone jack. these cables are available anywhere. keep in mind too that it can do a stereo mix or mono. and has a hi gain and low gain on the mono. also volume controls.

but back to the original question. there is a slight latency. i am super sensitive to this as well. i am going to have to try it at a gig to see how i feel about it. but the in-ear feature is not why i got the unit, but is something i might use. i bought the unit to use with a tc helicon voicelive2 to transmit my vocals and my guitar to my board. i might hear the latency while doing this. but i hardly doubt it would be an issue. i used the xds95 to do the same thing and i didn't notice it at all. the jangus should sound better. and because it has a stereo mix i can seperate my vocals and guitar. both are digital and should have the same exact latency issue. (this is according to the post mentioned earlier)

i couldn't be happier (as of 3 days in) with my jangus. (big edit......see next post)

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enifa1
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edit to my last post....i was so wrong. i decided to do more testing of the unit. i hooked it up how i planned to actually use it. i was going to send a signal either from my vocal processor to the board or from the board to the speakers. the latency that i thought wasnt a big deal turned out to be a huge one. it is way too much. when i first checked the latency i had a mic pluged into a board and then used the unit as an iem...just with a mic. i thought it wasn't that bad. but, when i got out my guitar and tried to sing a song, that is when i realized how big of an issue it is.

it sound like there is a real bad chourus effect turned on. i hear my guitar sound and the delayed sound from the speaker. if i sing to the speaker sound then my voice is delayed to the delayed sound. it sound completely off.

i just got off the phone with jangus and they said there is a delay. as they put it: it is capped a 18 miliseconds. but 18 miliseconds is huge. they said that is can vary from time to time. depending on distance, signal and a few other things....this does not make for a good iem. it works great for streaming music from an mp3 player because there are no concerns with latency with streaming music.

i called my dealer and set up a return.
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Like I said, I knew it would be an issue. Thanks for reposting. I was shocked to read your first review about it working so good. HA. I couldn't imagine something this cheap would work so well and not be the most popular wireless in the world.
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Good to know! Mine actually broke physically the second time I used it. I was having some issues with the 100 foot claim as well. I was still not sure what the problem was, so I tried a different pair of headphones, and when I plugged them in, the jack broke off and fell into the unit. Bummer. The guys at Jangus are super-nice though, and had no problem issuing me an RMA# to get a warranty replacement.

My first use for it was sending audio from the console to a video guy across a crowded club. It worked flawlessly, and was a great tool to have in that situation. I'll probably hang onto mine when I get the replacement, (assuming that the first one breaking was just a fluke). It'll be a good tool to have in the toolbox, but I doubt I'll be using it for IEM anytime soon.
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I'm very pleased I read this thread, I was going to pull the trigger on 3 of these units for use as IEMs. 18ms latency on it's own is unbearable, add that on to the 4ms on the Studiolive, making 24ms is an unworkable latency. They obviously has their uses, like the video guy scenario you mentioned, but IEM is definitely not one of them.
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Thanks for the very detailed posts, enifa, and sorry I haven't gotten back here sooner. I guess I missed the reply notification. It is disappointing that IEM use is a no go, but like others said, they do seem very handy. Might still have to pull the trigger on one. . .
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One of the things I really want to play around with when I get my warranty replacement Wi Audiolink is using it as a wireless cue mix for use when I'm mixing F.O.H. from the iPad. There is a club I run sound at regularly that has the console in a small booth off-axis from the main speakers. During the first few songs (after no sound check) I'm going back and forth between floor with the iPad, to hear what it actually sounds like in the room, and then back to the booth to cue up channels and fine-tune the mix. It would be nice to be able to solo channels in my ears wherever I am with the iPad, and for the price of the Jangus stuff! The latency would probably help more than hinder in this scenario, because of the delay of sound from the stage to the mix position.

This brings up another point: Presonus, any chance of getting solo buttons on the iPad app? I run an LS9 with the StageMix app at said club, so I have that capability there, but if it works well I'd love to use it with my StudioLive rig! Something to think about. If you guys are marketing the feature of a sound guy/gal having their mixer controls on their iPads, what about the ability to have their wireless cans with them too, and be able to use them effectively? Would anyone else use solo buttons on the iPad app?
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I got my unit back from repair! I'll try it out at a gig tonight. I'll be mixing from the iPad, so I'll use it for wireless headphones. If it works well, it'll be a nice alternative to the much-more-expensive stereo wireless in-ears available on the market.

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In case you're interested in having solo buttons on the iPad app (SL Remote) for use with wireless headphones or in-ears, see this thread: http://forumsarchive.presonus.com/posts/list/20979.page

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The Wi Audiolink works VERY well with headphones as a wireless cue mix. Here are my homemade wireless headphones . The Shure headphones have removable cables, and I already had an extra cable, so NO, I didn't go ruin a perfectly good pair of headphones! And sorry for taking over this thread! I just noticed I've posted 4x in a row now...



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is the latency affected by distance between transmitter + receiver or is it part of the digital/ conversion process?
If they are only a couple of metres apart is it less delay?
 
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