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SMAART in StudioLive! Wow! I thought I remembered hearing about this but I sure wish it was coming today instead of late spring!

I was posting to the forum and lost connection to the server then when it came back I saw all the news!

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I've been begging for this since I first got a StudioLive.

I can't wait to see how this comes out!! It will be sweet if it's built into the VSL. Simple monitoring of the I/O from a single interface. All we need is a single reference mic!
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I'm already having an anxiety attack just thinking about it. It won't replace my Sencore gear but it sure will be nice not having to bring it to every gig. Now I can reserve the Sencore stuff for the heavy duty calibration work. If I could just talk Presonus into letting me Beta test. This is one area I know backward-forward-inside-out. I would love to kick the tires on this one!

Hey Presonus! Please read this One!

I'll wager a large order of MacDonald's fries that the TalkBack input gets used for the measurement mic.
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link?

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nvm found it

http://www.presonus.com/news/press/Detail.aspx?NewsID=183

looks sweet

interesting they would put this on the news page just as 1.5.3 gets released

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No link to the driver, just the news so far.....

http://www.presonus.com/news/press/Detail.aspx?NewsID=183

http://www.presonus.com/news/press/Detail.aspx?NewsID=182
Smaart™ Engine Technology. PreSonus has begun incorporating Rational Acoustics’ highly regarded Smaart Measurement Technology™ for sound-system analysis and optimization directly into PreSonus Virtual StudioLive remote-control/editor/librarian software. With Smaart technology and VSL, you’ll be able to precisely identify nasty feedback frequencies and get your loudspeakers to play nicer with the room—all without having a degree in acoustical engineering. The first version of VSL to incorporate Smaart technology will be part of PreSonus Universal Control 1.6, which is expected to be available later this spring
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Ah, we were typing at the same time.

Yes, very interesting!

Just when we get some new features to play with they drop hints on MORE COOL STUFF!
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I have never used smaart but if it has some kind of automated setup like the driveracks do - imagine eq'ing out a room then saving it to the scene - reusing it at every gig - if this kind of update schedule carries on I will never need to buy another price of gear

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another manufacturer getting SMAART.
http://www.systemscontractor.com/article/72708.aspx

Don't get me wrong, I think the SMAART integration into UC is great and I can't wait. I just can't understand their apparent new business model, of "sell them at a loss, but make it up in volume."

How does SMAART expect to stay around if they are giving away their technology? Is this a case of them letting us have a free taste, figuring some of us will get hooked?

[Edit: hit send by mistake.] Or are they gettin PreSonus et al to buy each license for a pittance? Again I think this is a super-smart (haha) decision on PreSonus' part even if so, I just can't imagine it working that well economically for SMAART.

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I don't know what Intelli-Ware does or how much it costs, but I'm sure that they, as well as PreSonus, are paying for a license for the software.

Understand, too, that what you get with a StudioLive isn't the full version of Smaart. From what I saw at NAMM, it will help you to set graphic equalizers but it would require some pretty sophisticated communication between the program and VSL in order to handle time alignments. The complete Smaart system has controls (usually via MIDI) to outboard things like crossovers which allows you to set up the complete system from a single point.

On the other hand, it wouldn't be out of the question (in fact I think it's even been considered) that the outputs of the StudioLive could be configured as if there was a crossover in there, if you were willing to give up some outputs or buses that you might want to be using for other things.

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I'm picturing something more like FLS on older peavey EQ's. Not a feedback setup, but it identified hotspots on the way through...

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Hey folks, I just want to clear up some of your questions/concerns -

"another manufacturer getting SMAART.
http://www.systemscontractor.com/article/72708.aspx

Don't get me wrong, I think the SMAART integration into UC is great and I can't wait. I just can't understand their apparent new business model, of "sell them at a loss, but make it up in volume." "

The Apex and Lake integration are simply data-pulls from SMAART. In order to use these features, you must have purchased, and have running, a full version of SMAART V.7 on your machine. We did not design or program the integration, LAKE and APEX did the development on their own for our mutual benefit. In fact, APEX didn't consult us about their integration of SMAART, so we were very excited and delighted when they unveiled it at Musikmesse earlier this year.

"How does SMAART expect to stay around if they are giving away their technology? Is this a case of them letting us have a free taste, figuring some of us will get hooked?"

Although the SMAART integration in PreSonus VSL is free to you - I assure you there is a monetary exchange going on behind the scenes, and you already paid for it by purchasing a StudioLive Console

"The complete Smaart system has controls (usually via MIDI) to outboard things like crossovers which allows you to set up the complete system from a single point. "

This is simply not true. Think of SMAART as a 'cat scan' and you, as the operator, are the 'doctor'. SMAART is a tool to help you understand and diagnose what is happening with your system/systems. However, SMAART is not going to tell you how to set up a crossover - that is precursory knowledge that you should A) already have, or B) learn about on your own , and then apply that knowledge to how you interpret the data that SMAART gives you.

Furthermore -

Do to limitations in the StudioLive's internal DSP, the SMAART features of RTA and Spectrograph are currently only available on the GEQ's of the output section. You can, however, come up with clever ways to view the solo buss - perhaps by designating an AUX output for viewing individual instruments. The Spectra features are not on a per channel basis or Fat Channel.

In regards to the value statement. I encourage you to download a demo of SMAART V7 from the Rational Acoustics site (rationalacoustics.com) and play around with the Spectrograph and RTA. You will notice that numerous averaging and banding options, as well as scaling, peak holds, capturing, windowing, etc. have all been omitted in the StudioLive VSL in favor of a very simple and effective, or streamlined, feature set of what we and PreSonus feel are performing the essential functions to help the StudioLive users achieve certain tasks - NONE OF WHICH ARE SYSTEM ALIGNMENT OR TUNING. The Spectra features are simply ways to graphically interpret what is happening on a per output basis, these functions are completely blind to room acoustics.

I'll keep monitoring this thread - if you'd like to reach me directly - please send me an email to chris@rationalacoustics.com - C

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That's what I figured.

Similar to FLS on peavey EQ's. Showing what's heading out, not what's out there.


Still useful though, that's for sure!!
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Yup me too... said that in another thread.. I wonder what the cardboard mic and rope looking thing were alluding to in Ricks video?
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