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tyacko
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The marketing campaign for S1v2 should be "Just make music."

For me that is really what it is now. I don't tweak or find work-arounds. I just make music.

I am a current owner of Sonar X1 and started with it back in the Pro Audio days, so I lived with it for many years. I was able to make entire CDs with it, but not as easily as I can with S1v2 now.

I'll continue to consider my license with Sonar just for older projects but going forward I'm very pleased with S1.

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Using Studio One V2 since 2.0.5 is out.

I never had a single crash, my audio engine never stopped.

With X1 Expanded (Patch D) I had crashes and audio engine fallouts ALL THE TIME.

I'm so happy since i switched, can't put it in words.
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I just left Sonar X1D Expanded about a month ago for Studio One and I am so happy that I did. I spent about a 6 months learning Sonar and it had a few nice things, but overall it was just a mess. There were recording bugs where the recording timing would randomly not be right. You can't export to MP3 with the stock product without buying the MP3 export tool. But the biggest reason I left was that the interface was very confusing and not intuitive at all. Also, there were way too many tools provided, a lot of them carry-overs from older versions, and it was just messy. What made me finally leave was when they started releasing all these paid upgrades for the prochannel. . . I was very turned off by that approach. In fact, I hated the prochannel now that I think about it. It sucks because I spent like $400 on Sonar. . . money that is now in the toilet basically.

Anyway, I love Studio One. It's perfect for my needs, every intuitive, and it came with pretty much everything I need to knock out music. It doesn't get in the way at all and lets me focus on making music. And I don't know why, but it sounds better than Sonar did.
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Sorry if I bring back to life this thread, but I've had a terrifying experience with Sonar X1, some messages read here feel very familiar for me.
I'm mainly an eletronic music producer and also a long-time FL Studio user (10 years using it!), and I have to say that I'm still in love with FL Studio: very intuitive DAW, probably the most intuitive ever on the market.
But FL Studio, in despite of its version 10, has still a lot of little but fastidious issues: too high CPU usage (sometime sit makes fells my i5 750 as an old dual core processor with certain external VSTi) and many times completely different from the real Windows usage, poor mixer without reference valours for faders and pan pots, no 64bit version (but at Image Line says that this could be an imminent feature), and many other little things,
But these little things feel very irritant in the complex, so I have decided to turn myself to another DAW: my audio card came with Sonar 8.5 LE in bundle (Cakewalk UA-25 EX) and have had good experiences with it, so I have decided to give a serious try to a special offer about Sonar X1 Production Suite found on an online-shop (the half of the usual price)....what a big MISTAKE!
Crashes, crashes, crashes!
No support from Cakewalk forums, but just smelt by some forum users, with answers as "FL has confusing Sonar wth the drivers (!)" or "it's not a X1 fault, but a Pc fault" also when I told them'all that the problems came expecially with VSTi that my FL Studio and Reaper supports perfectly....in despite of 8.5 LE version, X1 can't long support its same bundled VSTi (as Dropzone or the unplayable Pentagon I, a serious attempt to ASIO driver's stability).
Personally, I really love to produce electronic music but sometimes I've the will the take again my basses and my guitars and also for this I've decided to experience myself with a parallel DAW, because FL Studio is absolutely good for electronic music but not for multitrack recordings, without to count all its little imperfections.
The last "infinite LOLs" thing is that Sonar X1 doesn't support jBridge: all the plug-ins that feel unsupported with the built-in bitBridge also remains unsupported with jBridge!
What a big mess, a real disaster of DAW, the worst ever made in history!

....and I don't have understanded why I have to pay (and they cost an huge amount of money!) to obtain new Pro Channels modules if this is a standard feature for the newer versions since X1 (X2 is out now).

If I have to write all the infinite terribly bad things that X1 gaves to me during these months maybe an unique page of this thread can't be enough....
But the day that I have downloaded Studio One Free, two monhs ago, I've returned to smile to the music: initially I was impressed by its incredibly fast workflow, so I have dediced to give a try to a full demo version, and now I'm in love with it.
I've preferred it for its fast way of production (really, really impressive workflow), the huge stability and its fast and easy use of mixer.
I'll be honest: Studio One will be my 2nd DAW because will be very difficult to let me totally switch from the FL Studio that I use since ten years, but....damn, I've tried all, and I mean ALL, all the DAWs of the planet to find a perfect alternative to my loved FL Studio and....damn, Studio One was the only one that has really impressed me in this point of view!
And i'm not kidding: the only one, the unique!

So yesterday I've bought it: Pro version, just after 3days of full demo trying.
I hope that my good wishes will worth all the money investment for it in the long time.

And I'm sorry for my (maybe) very bad english writing....it's hard for an Italian like me to learn another language perfectly !

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Well! Welcom Cybernaut, I hope you have many a good experience with S1, its only going to get better, as for Sonar i only upgrade becuase i spent so much on this since version 6, But after X2 false promise yet again and me getting sucked in just for the sake of what i already spent, its another sorry mistake for a broken programme to say the least.

Fruity loops is quite good with some good ideas, but i just could not work with the stupid pattern based way of doing things, it just was not working for me, although probally the best piano roll their will ever be, amazing and smooth, I mean if in the future if s1 could adopt a very similar feel and flavour, add in a inline piano roll / edit in place which can also be used for stepsequencing drums and then add in Clip based autmation blocks, and a slice to midi device/.function and then their will be no turning back from the best production Daw in the world for me. but more so all becuase of the way it is all implemented.

Anyhow welcome to you our new convert

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Just imagine being able to have this view in s1, for multiple lanes at the same time, better than the multi lane midi editor,which is more for orchestral arrangent, and bare in mind you cant beat this for drum sequencing also, its a must have view.
Cubase edit in place
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSvTO6cvSAQ
sonar inline piano roll
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6AlQFQjMRR0
and a few others Daws also have this editing feature.
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Cybernaut wrote:ll be honest: Studio One will be my 2nd DAW because will be very difficult to let me totally switch from the FL Studio that I use since ten years, but....damn, I've tried all, and I mean ALL, all the DAWs of the planet to find a perfect alternative to my loved FL Studio and....damn, Studio One was the only one that has really impressed me in this point of view!


You can always rewire FL into Studio One and have the best of both worlds my friend.
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Daw stew
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Ciao, come va?
Anyway, what would you like to see from Fruity loops that studio one would benefit from?
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Cybernaut wrote:Sorry if I bring back to life this thread, but I've had a terrifying experience with Sonar X1, some messages read here feel very familiar for me.
I'm mainly an eletronic music producer and also a long-time FL Studio user (10 years using it!), and I have to say that I'm still in love with FL Studio: very intuitive DAW, probably the most intuitive ever on the market.
But FL Studio, in despite of its version 10, has still a lot of little but fastidious issues: too high CPU usage (sometime sit makes fells my i5 750 as an old dual core processor with certain external VSTi) and many times completely different from the real Windows usage, poor mixer without reference valours for faders and pan pots, no 64bit version (but at Image Line says that this could be an imminent feature), and many other little things,
But these little things feel very irritant in the complex, so I have decided to turn myself to another DAW: my audio card came with Sonar 8.5 LE in bundle (Cakewalk UA-25 EX) and have had good experiences with it, so I have decided to give a serious try to a special offer about Sonar X1 Production Suite found on an online-shop (the half of the usual price)....what a big MISTAKE!
Crashes, crashes, crashes!
No support from Cakewalk forums, but just smelt by some forum users, with answers as "FL has confusing Sonar wth the drivers (!)" or "it's not a X1 fault, but a Pc fault" also when I told them'all that the problems came expecially with VSTi that my FL Studio and Reaper supports perfectly....in despite of 8.5 LE version, X1 can't long support its same bundled VSTi (as Dropzone or the unplayable Pentagon I, a serious attempt to ASIO driver's stability).
Personally, I really love to produce electronic music but sometimes I've the will the take again my basses and my guitars and also for this I've decided to experience myself with a parallel DAW, because FL Studio is absolutely good for electronic music but not for multitrack recordings, without to count all its little imperfections.
The last "infinite LOLs" thing is that Sonar X1 doesn't support jBridge: all the plug-ins that feel unsupported with the built-in bitBridge also remains unsupported with jBridge!
What a big mess, a real disaster of DAW, the worst ever made in history!

....and I don't have understanded why I have to pay (and they cost an huge amount of money!) to obtain new Pro Channels modules if this is a standard feature for the newer versions since X1 (X2 is out now).

If I have to write all the infinite terribly bad things that X1 gaves to me during these months maybe an unique page of this thread can't be enough....
But the day that I have downloaded Studio One Free, two monhs ago, I've returned to smile to the music: initially I was impressed by its incredibly fast workflow, so I have dediced to give a try to a full demo version, and now I'm in love with it.
I've preferred it for its fast way of production (really, really impressive workflow), the huge stability and its fast and easy use of mixer.
I'll be honest: Studio One will be my 2nd DAW because will be very difficult to let me totally switch from the FL Studio that I use since ten years, but....damn, I've tried all, and I mean ALL, all the DAWs of the planet to find a perfect alternative to my loved FL Studio and....damn, Studio One was the only one that has really impressed me in this point of view!
And i'm not kidding: the only one, the unique!

So yesterday I've bought it: Pro version, just after 3days of full demo trying.
I hope that my good wishes will worth all the money investment for it in the long time.

And I'm sorry for my (maybe) very bad english writing....it's hard for an Italian like me to learn another language perfectly !


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Cybernaut
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Thanks to all for your surprising and friendly welcome, your warmth is very appreciated .

@ Daw stew: are you italian/sei italiano?

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Daw stew
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Cybernaut
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Nice to read some italian words here.

Daw stew wrote:
Anyway, what would you like to see from Fruity loops that studio one would benefit from?


Fruity Loops it's an incorrect name, this was its name until version 4, after the version 5 it was called FL Studio .
This was happened because since version 5 it has presented a regular playlist (as Studio One, for example) where you can drop directly the VSTi or the samples in a track so you're not forced to drop them into the classic pattern sequencer, but this option is still available and probably it will remain forever.

FL Studio features into a S1 way?
Good idea, expecially in the piano roll that is very comfortable as also Jason said , but for me also Studio One's piano roll works fine and has its own charateristics about confort in MIDI writing and this was one of the reasons about my decision to buy a full Pro version.

Probably I will post something into a dedicated section/thread in a very near future, just the time to assimilate quickly a good part about Studio One's working details.

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kitekrazy
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I have both but Studio One has a cleaner GUI. It's also one of the easiest DAWs to transition too. I first used it for making a soundtrack for my brother's video project. I was quite thrilled how stable it was loading a video into it.
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Cybernaut wrote:
Fruity Loops it's an incorrect name, this was its name until version 4, after the version 5 it was called FL Studio .
This was happened because since version 5 it has presented a regular playlist....


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They've changed it because they were sued by cereal breakfast company as the name was already trademarked
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S1 USER HERE. This is my daw i also have PT and still uses it sparingly just to keep my knowledge of it going. PRESONUS YOU GUYS HAVE TO GIVE US BETTER INSTRUMENT IN S1. EVERY S1 USER WILL AGREE THAT THIS IS THE ONE WEAKNESS OF THIS DAW. WE SHOULD NOT HAVE TO BUY THIRD PARTY VST OUT OF NEED ONLY OUT OF CHOICE. I REPEAT. PRESONUS PLEASE INCLUDE BETTER INSTRUMENT WITH THIS WONDERFUL DAW MAKE THAT BE YOUR MAIN PRIORITY IN THE NEXT VERSION. I AM NOT BEING PICKY, MUSICIAN WORKS WITH SOUNDS THATS OUR TOOL. GIVE US THE BEST SOUNDS. THANK YOU.
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abba wrote: EVERY S1 USER WILL AGREE .


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