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klagga
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Buying a new computer soon.

One of the reasons why, is that the computer I use today (PC desktop quad processor Core2 Quad (Q8200) winxp 4 gig RAM) can´t handle my needs of Omnisphere, Kontakt and Superior drummer instances, it crashes all the time (all the more since I moved from S1v1 to S1v2).

For my projects I normally use maybe 3-5 instances of average Omnisphere patches, 3-5 of Kontakt (a piano and/or brass samples) and 1-2 of superior drummer. Obviusly the RAM of this needs differs depending on the specific instruments, but I´m well aware of that for example Omnisphere is a RAM hog.

Since the computer processor resources never seem to be any high, mostly around 10-20%, I figure the reason for the crashes is RAM shortage.

The computer I´m looking at now is a mobile computer with Intel Sandy Bridge processor Intel core i7 2720 quadcore 4x2.2 GHz/6mb smart cache with 8GB DDR3 and win7 64 bit, http://www.frostacm.com/products/view/205

Do you think this will solve my problems, will for example the 8 gig RAM really help?

Any thoughts?

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Yes. 8 GB is plenty. I'm in the 4 GB realm right now, and I usually end up bouncing the MIDI to audio before adding another VSTI. NOTE: I keep the MIDI file and do not render the MIDI to Audio. I create a new track in case I want to go back an make changes in the part.
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Excuse me, but you say you are in the 4 gig realm. So have you actually tried 8 gig so you know what you are talking about?

Today I bounce all the time, but I would like not having to do that, that´s why I´m buying a new computer.
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No. I've not tried 8 GB because I use XP, but I'm speaking from an IT standpoint where I spent 20 yrs of my life, not a Studio One standpoint. There is a performance degradation regarding audio over 8 GB RAM. You may or may not notice it. There are other variables involved. If you get a MB that can handle say 16 GB Ram, you can start with 8 GB and if that isn't enough, you can always add more later.

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Julia B wrote:There is a performance degradation regarding audio over 8 GB RAM. You may or may not notice it.


Are you saying the performance degrades with more 8 gig ram??... Never heard of that.
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It's not significant at all, but it is there, and we'd get into techniclese and a bunch of explanations that would make no sense to a lot of people. It has to do with the way operating systems access RAM. Chances are you wouldn't notice it.
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klagga
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Ok thanks.

Anybode else have any thoughts?
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I think it depends largely on the style of music you are making / recording. If you are recording mostly live instruments, I would say 8GB is probably more than plenty. If you are building large orchestral scores, you might want to look at 12-24GB.

Everything I do is MIDI / library related. I moved from 12GB to 24GB recently out of necessity. My basic / mockup scoring template is right about 9GB, my full template for individual instruments is 15GB. However, my "metal" template is only 2.5GB, with an "epic metal" piece weighing in at about ~4GB (this adds some orchestral and choral elements) ... if this is all I needed my DAW for, then 8GB would be plenty.

Lastly, RAM is so cheap right now, adding on later if you need it won't hurt your wallet much at all.


EDIT: I do occasionally record voice and guitar, but mainly stick with instrumentals in the sample library realm. My voice is not something people want to hear ... probably somewhere between a truck full of diseased dying cows and a train derailing.

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synthphonix wrote:My voice is not something people want to hear ... probably somewhere between a truck full of diseased dying cows and a train derailing.


I'd actually like to hear that!

But back to the OP, I would also say this question largely depends on how you work. If you work with a lot of sample libraries, lots of RAM is always beneficial. I 'only' have 6GB and hardly ever run out of it, much more CPU dependent here. One thing to consider is: If you would actually like to use the theoretically brilliant S1 feature of switching between project and song view to make changes on songs during a mastering session, then get 24GB right away. Because S1 loads every song you want to make changes on into RAM (it has to of course) and crashes instantly when you run out of RAM (at least it used to on V1).

But does it have to be a mobile computer? You'll get much more horsepower and flexibility for a lot less money when building a tower yourself..

Sorry to not be more specific, but the only truthful answer to your question is: it really depends..
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It's very much a matter of what plugins you are using to clog up your RAM. Using large sample libraries that get loaded into memory, instead of being streamed from disk will get your memory resources drained quickly.

You could check the resource monitor on your OS to see how you are getting along in terms of memory. But increasing RAM is usually a good thing when working with soft samplers.
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Klagga,

You don't mention it, but you'll need a 64 bit OS to take advantage of more than (about) 3.5GB of ram. (You may already know this, but just thought I'd throw it out there just in case you didn't).

Also, one area where people tend to not use multi-timbral VSTi's properly is the loading of instruments. I don't know about Omnisphere, but Kontakt can handle 32 channels/outputs per instance. You say you're running 3-5 instances of Kontakt... Did you mean to say 3-5 instruments within Kontakt? If not, you should be using just one instance of Kontakt for all of your instruments (At least, all the ones you mentioned).

The same could be true of your other multi-timbral VSTi's/ as well...

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Well, I think that S1 v2 can really change the paradigm here. The track conversion function (from instrument to audio) enables us to use huge sound libraries in a very fast and convenient way. Just load an instrument track, compose and convert removing the instrument - it works really fast. Load the next track and convert. Track conversion is fast and efficient. I have been working like this with my Macbook Air with 4 GB RAM and the workflow is really great. I have also a desktop with 24GB RAM, a superfast RAID0 matrix made of 4 SSD drives and 2 SSD PCIe Revodrives for sample streaming - my main template is huge (over 240 Kontakt instruments, Omnisphere, RMX, Trillian, some Play instruments, Virus TI) etc. - everything loaded just in 24GB RAM (Kontakt and Play allows you to set the buffer setting determining how many samples are loaded into RAM).

So with S1 it is just a matter of the preferred workflow. In other DAWs, however, the more GB, the better.
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And I hate VI instruments with multi outputs with the routings, different channels etc. I prefer one to one relationship - one instrument, one output. S1 works great in that respect when you convert your track to audio - it is much better then freezing in Nuendo.
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And there's the proof of everybody having their own workflow preferences. I love working with multi-timbral and multi output VST's. It's easy to route them in S1 and manage the inserts.

I want to have control over what being processed by what, especially drums and other composite instruments.
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Yes, I forgot about the drums... SD2 is the only instrument that I work as multiout one (and Virus TI2). Why creating multitimbrals I prefer using VE Pro - but still just one out.
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