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PW
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I have an 1818 and a digimax D8. The preamps overload very easily on the 1818 and seem to be nothing like the digimax. I have one padded condenser outside kick mic that has to be set at 0 to not overload. All the DI basses have to be close to 0.Moving the gain control 1/8" will make the track unusable. I called support and they said it is the design. I had a firestudio in the past and never had this problem.

I ended up buying a Yamaha unit because I needed USB and there are not very many options. I am outside of the return period so I am not pleased at all with this product.

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PW wrote:I have an 1818 and a digimax D8. The preamps overload very easily on the 1818 and seem to be nothing like the digimax. I have one padded condenser outside kick mic that has to be set at 0 to not overload. All the DI basses have to be close to 0.Moving the gain control 1/8" will make the track unusable. I called support and they said it is the design. I had a firestudio in the past and never had this problem.

I ended up buying a Yamaha unit because I needed USB and there are not very many options. I am outside of the return period so I am not pleased at all with this product.

Peter


I'm going to have to agree. It is very hard to set the preamps. Even after I think I have them set something triggers random clipping. I do think it is a problem. I do not think there is or can be a fix, this seems like a hardware design problem.
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I would agree also.
Several others have mentioned this as well.

See my suggestion to update the VSL software with a "Better "Warning System"The red light does not come on until it is too late.
Since they can't retro fit the LED with a multi color one the least they could do is dramatically improve the metering on the VSL software

Suggested improvements:
1) Add RMS + Peak to metering with Peak hold
2) Use colors to show us that we are nearing a clipping.
3) Allow us to change the scale of the meter

http://forumsarchive.presonus.com/posts/list/16584.page

If you agree or have better ideas please speak up. This can be improved with software
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PW wrote: I called support and they said it is the design.


Is this the case Jason? If so I'll hold off for a while making a purchase.

The spec of -15dB minimum gain should be fine with drum mics, if that's actually what it is. Has anyone measured this?

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Focusrite 18i20. An '1818' that actually works as advertised and has great support!! But Presonus will continue the story it was all my systems and there is no hardware issue with the 1818 and the drivers are great.

Almost two years on and Presonus continues to say it's a 'top priority' but have no driver updates, make excuses and blame others (Intel, USB3 Microsoft, Apple and now the company that writes their drivers!) when other companies have it all working on the same systems!! And it so refreshing to get regular software updates and responsive and effective support!

And the 1818 does not have 'on-board DSP' as continues to be claimed.
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Lets dig a little deeper here into what could actually be causing the clipping you're getting. Please answer the following questions and we'll do some tests here to either confirm or explain the issue:

1) What types of Mics (brand, model, etc.) are you using that are having the issue?

2) How far away is the mic from the sound source? (explain mic placement)

3) What is the sound source? (type of drum, etc.)

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Jason.Harris wrote:Lets dig a little deeper here into what could actually be causing the clipping you're getting. Please answer the following questions and we'll do some tests here to either confirm or explain the issue:

1) What types of Mics (brand, model, etc.) are you using that are having the issue?

2) How far away is the mic from the sound source? (explain mic placement)

3) What is the sound source? (type of drum, etc.)


I'm using lower-end mics such as Rode NT1, SE 3300 on vocals. Obviously those are using phantom power. I've had the same issue with 1/4 connect line level instruments. The bottom line is that the pots and preamp just seem so sensitive. I usually like to have the vocalist sing at peak until it clips and then I back it down at bit. It is just really hard to do. If I back off to far I'm do not get enough of a signal. It is really touchy.
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Does anyone know if the 22 and 44 vsl also have these sensitive preamps?
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Jason
Many 1818 customers are seeing the same results. It does not really matter what mics.

I have mention here and in other threads that there is no input signal peak or near peak indicators in the VSL or Studio One. Giving us that aside from maybe a firmware update would certainly help the matter.

Please pass that on to the developers
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I also have to agree with the OP that on drums, kick and snare the preamps have to be set at almost zero or they clip. The gain just comes on to early.
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In general, during my tests of this unit, I set the preamp gain to where it needs to be so that there is no clipping. I come from the school of thought that it doesn't matter where the knob is turned to, as long as it sounds good. If it needs to be all the way down, thats where I put it. Granted, there isn't quite as much headroom on this unit as there is on, say, a StudioLive mixer. That is because of a difference in the power rails (one being 15v, the other 12v).

I will, of course, pass your concerns on to the developers.

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Mitch Gallagher of Sweetwater also has complained that these pre's are to hot. He was so disappointed that he had presonus edit out his recent guitar performance on tech talk live. Presonus???
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This is a disturbing discussion.

Just last week I recorded a dozen songs with two different singers. I set up the gain within a few seconds and literally didn't touch the knob again the whole week. Needless to say all recordings went just fine (not only level-wise).

I have to say two things, though: Firstly, I didn't look at the meters in VSL since due to their scaling they are fairly useless for me. Secondly, I did notice I landed at a little over 12 o'clock which is way less than I'd have expected with a condenser mic.

However, the actual gain setting was painless and the quality was beyond any doubts.

Just saying ...

P.S.: Maybe I should add that I don't aim at hot input gains at all - but why should anyone?

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Kahlbert wrote:This is a disturbing discussion.

Just last week I recorded a dozen songs with two different singers. I set up the gain within a few seconds and literally didn't touch the knob again the whole week. Needless to say all recordings went just fine (not only level-wise).

I have to say two things, though: Firstly, I didn't look at the meters in VSL since due to their scaling they are fairly useless for me. Secondly, I did notice I landed at a little over 12 o'clock which is way less than I'd have expected with a condenser mic.

However, the actual gain setting was painless and the quality was beyond any doubts.

Just saying ...

P.S.: Maybe I should add that I don't aim at hot input gains at all - but why should anyone?


I think the whole arguing here is wheter or not 1814VSL(not 18 outputs, since 2 pairs of outputs are mirrors of other ones[1/2 mirror the Main Outs, 7/8 mirror the Phone outs] and hardwired as well) preamps are too sensitive.
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This has me very nervous. I've haven't used my 1818 in a recording session yet because I'm in the mixing stage of a particular song. I did test the preamps to make sure that they worked, but that's all. I'll be watching this thread.
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What is going on here. Theirs a reason why I've seen a lot of VSL audioboxes being sold refurbished. I hope they fix this because I wanted to use mine for recording. They need to get their hardware up to par with the Studio One or let those guys design something. Just IMO...
 
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